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Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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We had a bunch of these monitors back in the day, don’t remember any of them dying early. I was always afraid of taking apart CRTs thanks to those transformers in them. People used to overclock monitors back in the day to increase the refresh frequency.

The capacitors are the things to be concerned about.

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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I've always wondered why modern multimeters don't have a "discharge" option. I.e., you select the discharge mode, put the probes on a capacitor, and watch the voltage go down, while an internal current limiter makes sure that it happens at a safe rate.

The probes aren’t big enough. That’s why it’s often a big screwdriver and jump lead to earth. The better option is the Fluke 80K 40. https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/accessories/probes/fluke...

Not big enough in what way? A normal probe should be able to handle the distancing and the small current fine. Maybe it would lack insulation but I wouldn't use the word "big" for level of insulation.

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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Nice job and write-up. As the author says CRTs are dangerous. Even when they're off they can still carry insanely high voltages. The flyback transformer is one of the more dangerous components of them. I'm great at electronics repair and I tend to avoid them. Luckily these days that's easy :) If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't attempt it. Just get a more technical friend to do it. If you do know what…

I've always wondered why modern multimeters don't have a "discharge" option. I.e., you select the discharge mode, put the probes on a capacitor, and watch the voltage go down, while an internal current limiter makes sure that it happens at a safe rate.

An electrician's voltage tester (the not-fake ones) can be used for this, for off-line filter caps anyway. 30 kV, not so much.

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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Nice job and write-up. As the author says CRTs are dangerous. Even when they're off they can still carry insanely high voltages. The flyback transformer is one of the more dangerous components of them. I'm great at electronics repair and I tend to avoid them. Luckily these days that's easy :) If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't attempt it. Just get a more technical friend to do it. If you do know what…

I've always wondered why modern multimeters don't have a "discharge" option. I.e., you select the discharge mode, put the probes on a capacitor, and watch the voltage go down, while an internal current limiter makes sure that it happens at a safe rate.

For lower voltages, some do ("low impedance measurement" or LoZ). Not specifically meant for discharging capacitors but should work for that too.

But this only works up to the voltage the multimeter is rated for (i.e. usually 300 or 600 V). If you wanted to make it safe to put 30 kV across the multimeter, it'd have to be designed with sufficient insulation etc. for that.

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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> Opening up CRTs is dangerous. Do this at your own risk. Considering hiring a professional instead.

Hire a professional.

To fix a quarter-century-old monitor that was nothing special when it was new.

Why? I mean, I wouldn't bother fixing the thing anyway, but hiring somebody is going to cost you more than a much better brand new monitor.

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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I have a fully functional third-gen iMac (the "jelly bean") that needed its inner bezel replaced. Sourcing a non-broken bezel was one big job, but even after I did, finding someone with the knowledge and skill to repair it safely was a task. I wasn't willing to do the repair myself, it's just too dangerous for an amateur. These machines are supposed to have components that automatically discharge the screen after they're removed from wall power, but on a 20+ year old machine, no way to know whether that was working. You have to touch the screen and fasten it to the inner bezel, so repairing it without proper discharge was a non-starter.

I called around to various TV repair shops and was generally told they couldn't do it, or that it'd be prohibitively expensive. Finally, an electronics surplus store in my area referred me to a gentleman of the old-school AV hippy variety who knew how to repair all sorts of old equipment. He was able to construct a tool to ground the machine while working on it and we did the repair successfully together. It was an adventure!

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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Even with the externalities accounted for, if you must use a monitor, it might be better to buy a new one than repair the old one. The replacement parts have a footprint, and a newer monitor might use so much less power in operation that it’s more efficient to make and use it than to continue to use the older CRT. I really wish there were an easy way to work out if this was where the ‘efficiency crossover happens in…

It'll depend on your usage pattern and local cost of electricity-- if you're running that device that uses 10W more power 24/7, that works out to 87.6 kWh of additional power usage over the course of a year, or about $15 at the current average cost of electricity in the US ($0.17/kWh as of June 2023). If that's a monitor, you'd have to run it for a pretty long time before your break-even point on purchase cost alone…

A rule of thumb I've always used is that 100W for a month costs roughly $10.

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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The probes aren’t big enough. That’s why it’s often a big screwdriver and jump lead to earth. The better option is the Fluke 80K 40. https://www.fluke.com/en-us/product/accessories/probes/fluke...

Not big enough in what way? A normal probe should be able to handle the distancing and the small current fine. Maybe it would lack insulation but I wouldn't use the word "big" for level of insulation.

Typical probes are rated for 600 volts (CAT III), so you'd have insulation rated for 600 volts between your fingers and 30,000 volts, which is kind of hazardous.

Here's a recent Twitter video showing what happens when you combine a flyback transformer and faulty insulation: https://twitter.com/zh1nu/status/1673487720780529664

Re: Replacing the bad flyback transformer in Apple's Studio Display 17"

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From what I understand of this, the danger comes from charge stored in large capacitors. So what is the longest that these capacitors can hold a significant charge if the crt is left disconnected from mains power? Hours/days/weeks? Is simply waiting long enough a reliable way to render a crt safe to work on?

(Irrespective of the answer to this, there is no chance at all that I would ever mess with crt circuitry. But I am curious.)

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