“Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web • Hacker News Board

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by alphanullmeric » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:38 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

Firefox on iOS is awful. Basic features like swiping the toolbar to switch tabs are still missing.

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by franczesko » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:38 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

Firefox needs to win mobile. In my opinion this is where Brave excels.

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by dang » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

MildRant wrote: post #13

skilled wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This might be the most "Hacker News" comment I've ever read. Whether or not I agree with the way Brave goes about their business, I'm not going to deny they are trying new things which is the definition of innovation.

Please don't reply by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by geraldwhen » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

Mozilla is a political organization, not a web browser developer. I’ll keep using brave.

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by dang » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

skilled wrote: post #20

MildRant wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be the most "Hacker News" comment I've ever read. Whether or not I agree with the way Brave goes about their business, I'm not going to deny they are trying new things which is the definition of innovation.

Well, neither of the things I mentioned are hard to look up. I even worded them specifically to make it easier to instantly find a source, I just happen to be away from my PC right now or I would have linked the sources myself. I have not seen any innovation from them so far, sorry to say. They are using a pre-existing browser engine, they are lawyered up and don’t respond to public callouts, and they have a history…

Please don't reply by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by TacticalCoder » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

> It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as much RAM (it doesn't) and ask for a damn nude photo of me and I'd still be using it right now.

Same. I mostly use Firefox (I still use Chrome for testing) and it's a good browser in itself: not just because it's not Chrome/Edge.

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by hamandcheese » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:40 PM UTC

alphanullmeric wrote: post #21

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

Firefox on iOS is awful. Basic features like swiping the toolbar to switch tabs are still missing.

Firefox on iOS is not Firefox.

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by TacticalCoder » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:41 PM UTC

Melatonic wrote: post #14

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

Honestly modern Firefox works better than Chrome for me at everything - better memory management - faster loading times - better extension support.

On Linux the one area where I feel (nothing scientific) that Chrome is faster is for JavaScript code execution. But I still use Firefox instead of Chrome.

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by thewataccount » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:41 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

> Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox.

What happens when Firefox refuses to implement WEI - then start to require it?

If WEI becomes a common requirement then Firefox will effectively be forced to implement it or it won't be usable as a web browser at that point for the average consumer

Re: “Web Environment Integrity”: Locking Down the Web

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Post by postalrat » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 8:42 PM UTC

geraldwhen wrote: post #24

mrguyorama wrote: post #10

What is Brave going to do when the code for WEI becomes load bearing in the chromium code base? Still excuse after excuse after excuse to just not use Firefox. I literally don't care if you have to hold up your nose, there's only one actual alternative browser engine, and it's a matter of survival for anyone who doesn't want the whole internet controlled by google. It could be half as fast (it isn't) and use twice as…

Mozilla is a political organization, not a web browser developer. I’ll keep using brave.

Brave is a cryptocurrency. No thanks.