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The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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I enjoyed this article for the most part until it got to the "LGBTQ2S+" bit and then I just couldn't escape the fact that the author seems unwilling to confront the obvious -

The gluing together of all of these groups under one banner is exactly an attempt to use moral superiority to frame an argument - it removes the ability to actually discuss each case.

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

#22
As someone who spends more time than they should grandstanding on the internet, I understand why people do it. What I don't understand is why people are so keen to eat that up, especially when it comes to politicians. Doesn't it bother people that the top 600 people in the most powerful country in the world are wasting their time delivering hot takes? I find it difficult to blame the politicians themselves because they're doing what their constituents want them to do.

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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> the term “pregnant people” is somehow degrading to women She sneaked that one in though didn’t she.

It wouldn't be an article about virtue signaling without pulling a bit of your own.

I'd call it a dogwhistle.

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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/"(This is a shame, because the best way to prepare a burger is a topic worthy of introspection.)"/

The answer, of course, is to stop eating meat because the factory farm industry is morally indefensible. (he said with some trace of irony, "expressing [...] dismay at the vast, cruel machinations of society.")

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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Having the right opinion as a form of social status.

Wealthy urban men and women do that all the time.

While they're working their employees to the bone, refusing raises, and pocketing all the profits to purchase more real estate and nicer cars, or to bribe people at the private school they send their kids to, they whitewash their actions by pretending they care about feminism, LGBTQ+ people, white privilege, and/or the environment.

The Rural crowd has a different form of virtue signaling but the richest among them are also hypocrites in their own way. Usually via saying they're Christian, going to church, and then doing nothing Christian in their day to day life.

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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Loved the last paragraph, always good to end with ideas for positive action. >As cathartic as venting one’s outrage can be in the moment, it’s clear that moral grandstanding accomplishes very little beyond the fleeting satisfaction that it brings. Shaming people doesn’t seem to change their behaviour, and invoking mass shooting victims in an argument about hamburgers doesn’t move the needle on gun control. Social cha…

> Social change doesn’t come from posting I have to disagree with this. Change happens because people want change. And they want change because they have been convinced of its benefits. Posting plays a role here.

Depends on the kind of posting IMHO.

Contributing to a rational civil discussion? Maybe.

Flaming, downvoting, and “collectively bullying” someone with a different opinion to enforce an echo chamber? Not so much.

The latter just drives everyone who disagrees away so the likeminded can reinforce their beliefs, pat each other on the back, and feel good about themselves.

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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Loved the last paragraph, always good to end with ideas for positive action. >As cathartic as venting one’s outrage can be in the moment, it’s clear that moral grandstanding accomplishes very little beyond the fleeting satisfaction that it brings. Shaming people doesn’t seem to change their behaviour, and invoking mass shooting victims in an argument about hamburgers doesn’t move the needle on gun control. Social cha…

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Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You seem overly concerned with that one issue. Truth is if the government wanted to do this you'd have no chance in hell resisting using your AR-15. They's suspend the constitution and the military would be deployed Stateside. You'd be an ill-equipped Russian soldier against NATO hardware like in Ukraine. 10-20 of you dead for every 1 US military member you take out. The better option is to ensure you have a Democrac…

Would some of the military be sympathetic to the rebellion?

Would the military turn their guns on their own citizens?

Would the military be able to protect their family members from people with AR-15s?

People hiding in trees and caves with rifles have defeated many superior forces… including our own… twice.

Re: The inescapable rise of moral superiority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't be an article about virtue signaling without pulling a bit of your own.

I'd call it a dogwhistle.

What I'm about to say is probably debatable but I think those things are, if not entirely equivalent, at least two sides of the same coin.
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