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Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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I don’t know about the part where Charity mentions it’s really really easy to get an Eng job than a manager one. As someone who got laid off recently, it sure as heck doesn’t feel that way. And the skills not being transferrable? How is being good in a particular field of tech _more_ transferable than management skills, which is arguably needed everywhere be it tech or not. Finally the credit/blame - managers and peo…

My observation has been that unless you are amazingly charismatic or a force of nature, as an engineering manager much of your value is in your ability to understand your specific companies unspoken intricacies such as:

* who the different personalities are within the specific organization in order to get things done and who's opinion you need to take into account and who you can safely ignore

* who you can escalate to in order to get more resources (perhaps get a email pushed up to the CEO if needed) and who to apologize to if things go bad

* when to let your team self-manage and when you're going to need to assert your opinion

These are all highly specific to an organization.

The two ways to achieve this are through being in the trenches and observing for many years or have the social skills to hack your way in.

As such I think the interview for an engineering manager would be less than straightforward than a standard fizz buzz test.

More importantly if you do somehow pass the gatekeepers to such a job, your ability to actually hack into the new organization in order to keep your job for more than a year becomes a challenge.

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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post #14

I don’t know about the part where Charity mentions it’s really really easy to get an Eng job than a manager one. As someone who got laid off recently, it sure as heck doesn’t feel that way. And the skills not being transferrable? How is being good in a particular field of tech _more_ transferable than management skills, which is arguably needed everywhere be it tech or not. Finally the credit/blame - managers and peo…

>How is being good in a particular field of tech _more_ transferable than management skills, which is arguably needed everywhere be it tech or not. Managers are viewed the same way engineers are when it comes to skill transfer, in that their "expertise" is limited to the field. Which is why it's rare to find managers who made leaps that way across fields, as they always get overlooked in favor of someone who's either…

I did not know that, but should have expected it.

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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> And also, the people who excel at all those management tasks, the ICs who would actually make great managers but don't want to do it? They make the best ICs. Literally a dream. They make my job so much easier in so many ways. Wouldn't trade them. Ah the cliche Steve Jobs quote. Any driven person who wants to make change at an organization knows that they have to become a manager to scale. These are all day-to-day r…

At the current FAANG I work for, managers are so consumed by organizational overhead that there’s plenty of room for IC (ie staff engineer) to influence direction. Not sure if this applies at the VP level.

This is exactly why so many companies have staff+ levels in the first place. Managers are there to handle the people and politics which gives the ICs space to do the technical side of departmental leadership.

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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post #6

Was nearly fired once for telling the truth. Made me realize I'm not sociopathic enough to laud power over people nor do I kiss enough ass to be coddled by higher ups. I'm quite happy with my IC/senior role. I am running into the situation where pay bands are tied into titles. Once you reach the upper end of your pay band you have to gain a new title. So you'll be pushed into management track or pushed out the compan…

> I'm pretty sure I'm headed for the latter.

and what is your playbook for this given job market is not good.

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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When adults can't be responsible for themselves they need to be managed.

When adults can be responsible they need more than one other adult to address issues and challenges with. To learn from and to teach to.

Management is a industrial and corporate construct. Its put in place to force labour intense industries to tell others what they need to do. Tell is often a monologue.

There is indeed need for adults to be around other adults with a sane understanding of responsibility. That's not management though.

Management is often a bleak blank cover to compensate for what I would call being professional.

Most often management does not work because the construct is that one (the manager) gets to rule more than the other, even though the manager might be completely wrong.

Some management must be in place otherwise things will stagnate.

Most management is a big fucking joke being mostly about looking good upwards. Politics.

More wine...

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

#26
One of my reasons: as an engineer you maintain much stronger "makes things done" skills, and have much better opportunity to build side business with high pay reward: it could be android/macos/windows app/saas you sell, or mvp which will attract investments.

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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> 12) Joy is much harder to come by.

Joy is an internal energy, orthogonal to the (tangentially) flat Earth that sits external to us.

We might take pleasure or find satisfaction in our work, but joy is a mystical thing derived from one's faith.

Whether a manager or Individual Contributor, one's capacity to find joy in the most suck-tacular experiences is the key to the next iteration of One Little Victory => https://youtu.be/o_dzB1EX_2I

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

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A finding I had when I took a management role was that it's really hard actually getting anyone to do a good job of something. This is utterly frustrating. So many people actually don't give a fuck if what they do works or is of merchantable quality as long as it's perceived they are working for the hours required. I've found that the teams usually divide into functional elites that do the work unattended and I'm dealing with micromanaging the rest and trying to educate them.

I've spoken to managers in other sectors and it's the same for them too.

Re: Reasons Not to Be a Manager (2019)

#30
Being a manager happens organically to some of us because the challenge of getting a system of people to work is an organic next step from getting a system of circuits to work. People create such interesting, unique, and unpredictable problems compared to systems that have become quite predictable after a number of years of experience. Really nailing a people problem gives me that same high a successful compile used to.
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