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Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by scott_w »

I’ve only read half the article and stopped because it seems the author is hopelessly ignorant about some basic facts:

- The EU won’t start the process to admit the UK until joining is politically settled

- Until the Tory party is also onboard with rejoining, it can’t be politically settled

- The Tory party will only get onboard when it’s no longer possible to win power without wanting to rejoin

- Despite there being over 30m voters in the UK, our system ensures only a few hundred thousand swing voters decide the government

- Those voters are still in favour of Brexit

- Finally, ALL polls showing a majority rejoin exclude “Don’t knows,” meaning there’s no actual majority for rejoin

The above facts explain why the Labour Party is not campaigning to rejoin. Until a number of those are changed, the UK simply will not rejoin the EU.

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Post by mrangle »

Brexit was a top level decision disguised as populism. There won't be a new referendum predicated on polling that few trust, then or now. Continental Europe's future alignment may be to the East. The UK no more wants to be on that wagon, nor even the chance of it, than they did in WWI and WWII. Therefore, in my opinion, they won't be rejoining the EU. Articles like this are fodder.

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Post by scott_w »

messe wrote: post #14
blcknight wrote: post #5

Hard to imagine Britain joining both the Euro and the Schengen zones. I just don’t see the British public not thinking they’re special and demanding exceptions and carve outs just for them.

I suspect they could maintain an opt out for the Schengen, purely because a land border exists with Ireland, which isn’t part of the Schengen area either. (That being said I’d like it if Ireland joined Schengen, as it makes it just a tad more convenient when flying to the rest of the EU) Doubtful that they could avoid a commitment to joining the eurozone though.

You couldn’t campaign on it because you’re basically telling the EU upfront that you intend to negotiate joining the EU in bad faith

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Post by gumballindie »

kramerger wrote: post #9

Please don't. Things have been so much smoother in the EU since UK left. Their politicians had this idea that Europe was out to screw them in every deal and that made it a very annoying 30 years of "collaboration".

Things are smooth indeed. Without real opposition, Germany can further drag the continent down the stagnation and economic strangulation through austerity only it benefits from paths as it pleases.

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Post by x86x87 »

Coulda woulda shoulda

They fucked around and now they are in the finding out phase. There is no way the EU will allow them to continue with their jackasseries. If you want back in apply like a new state and accept the shit conditions new members have to accept. You're not special. You're a shadow of a former great empire and your economy is collapsing. Immigrants? Those fools are actually keeping you afloat while you pretend they're the root of all your problems.

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Post by nprateem »

scott_w wrote: post #21

I’ve only read half the article and stopped because it seems the author is hopelessly ignorant about some basic facts: - The EU won’t start the process to admit the UK until joining is politically settled - Until the Tory party is also onboard with rejoining, it can’t be politically settled - The Tory party will only get onboard when it’s no longer possible to win power without wanting to rejoin - Despite there being…

Sources for the last 2 claims?

Labour are doing what any good politicians do and are avoiding a divisive issue to try to appeal to both sides.

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Post by scary-size »

mutatio wrote: post #7
blcknight wrote: post #5

Hard to imagine Britain joining both the Euro and the Schengen zones. I just don’t see the British public not thinking they’re special and demanding exceptions and carve outs just for them.

The currency is a hard no, even from hardent remainer quarters. The Euro and the ECB haven't even been a success for the EU as-is, a single fiscal policy cannot reconcile the economies of Germany and Greece. The hubris of the UK submitting to the Euro isn't pragmatic or in the realms of reality. Participation from the UK hardly changes things also, making it come across almost vindictive.

I found Conrad Bastable‘s essay [1] on the subject fascinating.

[1] https://www.conradbastable.com/essays/the-germany-shock-the-...

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