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I'm out of the loop, can someone please provide ELI5ed context for this?

Some Korean researchers have released a couple half-baked papers apparently due to some infighting and a Nobel prize grab?

Their claim is for an easily/cheaply synthesized room temperature ambient pressure superconductor. They call it LK-99.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science". In national newspaper. But you have to also understand every discovery is met with skepticism, because 99.9999999% of them turn out BS. Ideally, humanity would cut it out with the idiotic hot takes (both rejecting and glorifying the paper... based on "hunches") and review the paper and try to reproduce. Unfortunately that's hard. While idiotic hot takes are easy. A…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I guess. I'm not at all surprised there's this much drama around this. It sounds like it's a matter of a little time and we'll know what's going on. > Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science". Thankfully, along the way, we discovered that "Jew Science" is quite good. I imagine an alien civilization visiting the Earth at that time trying to make sense of…

If you follow that rabbit hole you find that the Nazis had this whole batshit crazy alternative science. It was sort of like Lysenkoism in spirit (an ideologically conforming “alternative truth”) but zanier and wilder. Think hollow Earth and mystical traits of the Aryan race and such.

I heard a historian once describe the SS as “what you would get if you made the Church of Scientology a branch of the military.” The Nazi party was kind of unique in that it was more of a cult with a political party than a simple political party in the classical sense.

I speculate that this is why the Nazis are such a symbol of evil in spite of Stalin having a similar body count. It’s the same reason the Manson murders are creepier than your average serial killing or shoot ‘em up. The culty stuff gives it this extra layer of dark edginess. Stalin just wasn’t as edgelord.

Nazi mysticism and volkisch stuff lives on in the New Age and other areas which is why flipping people in those worlds to Q and other thinly veiled fascist cults was so easy. There’s already a ton of esoteric fascist memes floating around that world.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

I recently saw a documentary on the science teams that published the first image of a black hole. A lot of due diligence went into confirming their approach was sound, as getting it wrong would destroy their reputation.

In this case, the challenge is that these are relatively unknown scientists, from a relatively unknown lab. Of course their findings can be genuine, but we need to wait until it has been replicated.

One red flag is that he claimed he had a sample, but nobody could test it. If it is a room temperature, or close to room temperature super conductor, not a lot of equipment is needed. You just need a strong magnet to confirm the Meisnner effect. You can do this with off the shelf neodymium magnets. I have some on my fridge.

Given the historical importance of confirming the super conductivity at room temperature, I am sure you could obtain such magnets from an university department. Personally I would happily pay for an Uber to collect them.

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All of this is just noise. The experiment has to be reproduced and measured by others. Then we will know.

indeed.

this is Satoshi/Wright all over again. All Wright had to do is sign a document with the original key to provide (reasonably) plausible proof that he was indeed Satoshi.

Behavior of grifters always has this constant: infuriate your peers by making excuses and dazzle the outsiders/media with techno-babble. Sit back and watch both camps fight in social media, from where it infects MSM. Once it takes off the 2 camps battling another ensure it stays in the news and the cult that was created ensures their idols (gods) are protected. The public can no longer tell truth from fiction because as they understand "where there's smoke there's fire". At this point the suits and corporate talking-heads promise big returns, so there is no stopping it because money is being made regardless from it being real.

replicate || GTFO

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I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

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Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Isn’t Kwon the one who was sent by the original pair’s corporate sponsors to supervise them? If so, that makes his behavior all the more bonkers? I really want to understand what he thinks he’s doing by going rogue like this in the year 2023.

It’s like the 19th century race to claim credit for discovering the source of the Nile, except obviously falsifiable due to communication technology.

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I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

> I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty.

I don't get it, what else would you expect? Any claimed scientific breakthrough should generally be met with a healthy dose of skepticism at first. Competition between multiple or overlapping groups working on the same problem is common, and that alone will often result in some not-so-pretty scenes. Look up eg the story of the discovery of the HI virus. That's what you get when 'only' career accomplishments are at stake. Now add billion-dollar commercial potential to the mix, and I'd say that some nerves starting to unravel is a rather expected outcome.

The good thing is that this is science, and nature doesn't care about any of that. So we'll know soon enough.

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I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

> I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty.

I'm guessing you weren't alive (or paying attention) in 1989 for the cold fusion stuff.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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I'm out of the loop, can someone please provide ELI5ed context for this?

Korean scientists announce room-temperature superconductor. Ridiculous amounts of squabbling over who invented it immediately ensue, even though the jury's still out on whether it even works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99 The part I don't understand is why they don't just FedEx a sample of the stuff to another lab, so they could replicate the results immediately.

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