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Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

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Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

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How do you like to eat rhubarb? I mostly know it from rhubarb pie

Since it is quite sour and fresh, apart from sweet dishes like pie or crumble, it pairs quite well with heavy meat dishes like venison. Basically you make a glaze with the rhubarb and can use the stems as a garnish/veggie side. Still needs quite a bit of sugar to tone down the sourness, but it is great.

In general you can often use it as an alternative for lemon zest or juice. I'd say though that it is one of those veggies you buy when it grows locally. I love rhubarb, but if you have to import it, there is probably a better local alternative.

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#22
post #15

Remember that rhubarb leaves are actually poisonous due to oxalic acid (I've seen quotes of 2-5 kg od leaves being a lethal dose). https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/does-rhub...

Oxalic acid is poisonous? Should I stop eating spinach then? Oh, looks like the article mentions this actually:

> Chard and spinach, in fact, contain even more oxalic acid than rhubarb—respectively, 700 and 600 mg/100 g, as opposed to rhubarb’s restrained 500. Rhubarb’s killer reputation apparently dates to World War I, when rhubarb leaves were recommended on the home front as an alternative food. At least one death was reported in the literature, an event that rhubarb has yet to live down.

> Oxalic acid does its dirty work by binding to calcium ions and yanking them out of circulation. In the worst-case scenario, it removes enough essential calcium from the blood to be lethal; in lesser amounts, it forms insoluble calcium oxalate, which can end up in the kidneys as kidney stones. In general, however, rhubarb leaves don’t pose much of a threat. Since a lethal dose of oxalic acid is somewhere between 15 and 30 grams, you’d have to eat several pounds of rhubarb leaves at a sitting to reach a toxic oxalic acid level, which is a lot more rhubarb leaves than most people care to consume.

That actually sounds like I should be careful with how I consume my spinach (or chard or rhubarb), but more for the sake of kidney stones. I wonder if adding milk or other calcium-rich foods helps?

[one search for calcium-rich foods later]

So spinach is apparently rich in calcium? I'm getting really confused now.

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#23
post #15

Remember that rhubarb leaves are actually poisonous due to oxalic acid (I've seen quotes of 2-5 kg od leaves being a lethal dose). https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/does-rhub...

The article mentions the content is 500mg of oxalic acid / 100g and says the deadly dose is at 15 - 30g. That makes for 3-6kg of rhubarb leaves. Quite a serving, if you ask me.

In the original British understatement:

> Since a lethal dose of oxalic acid is somewhere between 15 and 30 grams, you’d have to eat several pounds of rhubarb leaves at a sitting to reach a toxic oxalic acid level, which is a lot more rhubarb leaves than most people care to consume.

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#24
post #15

Remember that rhubarb leaves are actually poisonous due to oxalic acid (I've seen quotes of 2-5 kg od leaves being a lethal dose). https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/does-rhub...

Oxalic acid is poisonous? Should I stop eating spinach then? Oh, looks like the article mentions this actually: > Chard and spinach, in fact, contain even more oxalic acid than rhubarb—respectively, 700 and 600 mg/100 g, as opposed to rhubarb’s restrained 500. Rhubarb’s killer reputation apparently dates to World War I, when rhubarb leaves were recommended on the home front as an alternative food. At least one death…

There’s not much you can do since adding chalk (which used to be common for both spinach and rhubarb) just creates the oxalate in the pan instead of your body and you can’t remove it. But cooking with lots of water (very short in the case of spinach) and throwing out the water does help to reduce the amount of oxalic acid.

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#25

Much sweeter sounds suspicious. I love ordinary rhubarb but add baking soda to bind much of the acid and then still lots of sugar.

I’ve read one needs to be careful with that because the resulting oxalate isn’t healthy (increases kidney stone risk, for example).

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#26
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oxalic acid is poisonous? Should I stop eating spinach then? Oh, looks like the article mentions this actually: > Chard and spinach, in fact, contain even more oxalic acid than rhubarb—respectively, 700 and 600 mg/100 g, as opposed to rhubarb’s restrained 500. Rhubarb’s killer reputation apparently dates to World War I, when rhubarb leaves were recommended on the home front as an alternative food. At least one death…

There’s not much you can do since adding chalk (which used to be common for both spinach and rhubarb) just creates the oxalate in the pan instead of your body and you can’t remove it. But cooking with lots of water (very short in the case of spinach) and throwing out the water does help to reduce the amount of oxalic acid.

Taro leaves (rourou in Fijian) are cooked for a long time (for a vegetable) in order to break down the oxalic acid.

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#27
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oxalic acid is poisonous? Should I stop eating spinach then? Oh, looks like the article mentions this actually: > Chard and spinach, in fact, contain even more oxalic acid than rhubarb—respectively, 700 and 600 mg/100 g, as opposed to rhubarb’s restrained 500. Rhubarb’s killer reputation apparently dates to World War I, when rhubarb leaves were recommended on the home front as an alternative food. At least one death…

There’s not much you can do since adding chalk (which used to be common for both spinach and rhubarb) just creates the oxalate in the pan instead of your body and you can’t remove it. But cooking with lots of water (very short in the case of spinach) and throwing out the water does help to reduce the amount of oxalic acid.

> just creates the oxalate in the pan instead of your body and you can’t remove it

If that stops it from being digested and entering my blood stream that would still help though, no?

I'm just confused at how spinach can be both a calcium-rich food and rich in a chemical that extracts calcium from the blood.

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#28

Mentioned in the article, but forced rhubarb grows so fast you can hear it. This soundcloud file suggests hearing it in a darkened vault by candlelight would be extraordinary experience! https://soundcloud.com/rhubarb-rhubarb-rhubarb/a-mass-of-pop...

That is wild, wonder if there's an asmr for it

Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)

#29
post #8

How do you like to eat rhubarb? I mostly know it from rhubarb pie

I grew up eating the Rhubarb plant by tipping the root side (stem?) In sugar and just eating it like that. It's very sour like that, which as a kid I loved.

Same here - the sugar offsets the sourness just enough. Is it a Polish/Eastern European thing?
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