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Hydraulic Steering – Principles of Operation (1956) [video]

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Similar videos about cars: Chevrolet Suspension (1938): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7CRAIGXow How Differential Steering Works (1937): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAw79386WI How A Transmission Works (1936): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLtS4VUcvQ And as a bonus, an explanation about transistors from 1953: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xUQWo4vN0

> And as a bonus, an explanation about transistors from 1953 And here is a 1959 video from the same source about wave behavior [1]. It covers reflection from open and closed ends, superposition, standing waves and resonance, impedance mismatching, and tapered-section transformers all in a way that makes it really easy to understand. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k

I remember watching this studying for my Extra license and it really helped!

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Well, even before electric power steering became popular, rack and pinion steering was/is used in almost all passenger vehicles. The only vehicles that I can think of that use a steering gear and pitman arm like this video are 1 ton Ford/Chevy/Dodge and the Jeep Wrangler.

I thought recirculating ball[0] was commonly used in most passenger vehicles, and rack and pinion was more common in sports cars. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recirculating_ball

In 1975, your comment would be correct.

In 2005, it's horribly wrong.

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> Also: this is not how modern power steering systems work. Yes, most hydraulic systems today have been replaced by electric power steering, which uses electronic sensors to determine how much assist to apply via an electric motor. Mechanically, it is simple and very low maintenance.

>Yes, most hydraulic systems today have been replaced by electric power steering, which uses electronic sensors to determine how much assist to apply via an electric motor. one small nit to pick many modern electric power steering systems are still hydraulic by nature. It's sometimes the case that the electric motor is driving fluid to enact the resistance change. Many cars that use Bosch electronics/driving-aids sti…

are you sure? there's a lot of "normal" cars that are full EPAS. Like the Prius.

I know stuff like the MR2 is like that, but I'm guessing that's because the engine is in the wrong place to have normal power steering.

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This is a very early type of power steering gear, with the separate power cylinder and axial spool valve; I believe this is still common on very large trucks today, but in 1959 the Saginaw integral rotary-valve gear was introduced and basically became an industry standard for domestic (and some import) cars up into the 90s, and continued for light trucks after that to this day with some small variations. The accompanying integral-reservoir pump (also known as the "ham can") has also remained nearly the same over that timeframe.

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rack and pinion has been the standard for nearly all smaller passenger vehicles since at least the early 90s. you can find things like that or like pitman arms on larger/industrial vehicles fairly commonly, though. to your point, however, yes -- sports cars were the first ones to popularize the method. Rack and pinions tend to feel less 'sloppy' , especially after some use. The idea stuck around in the industry thoug…

So was recirculating ball a halfway point between worm and sector and rack and pinion then? We have a 1947 Willys CJ-2A, which I believe is worm and sector, though we haven't gotten into the steering yet because there are so many other things wrong with it. Including, it seems, the formerly working brakes. I discovered they had crapped out as I was backing up near a bunch of formerly neatly stacked cinder blocks.

Are you Mister Bean?

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Why does that title here and on YouTube say 1956 when the video itself says 1955?

Without diving into the weeds on this specific video it's quite common for film footage to show copyright | filmed on | final edit | etc dates that relate to production that don't match IMDB, library of record, etc dates that refer to the date of first public airing, the publishing date if you wish.

A difference of year (as here) is quite common.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, even before electric power steering became popular, rack and pinion steering was/is used in almost all passenger vehicles. The only vehicles that I can think of that use a steering gear and pitman arm like this video are 1 ton Ford/Chevy/Dodge and the Jeep Wrangler.

I thought recirculating ball[0] was commonly used in most passenger vehicles, and rack and pinion was more common in sports cars. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recirculating_ball

I suspect that a problem with rack and pinion 'back in the day' was materials and manufacturing mean they would wear and the steering would get sloppy. Where recirculating ball naturally is low wear. Once they upped materials and manufacturing rack and pinion was simpler and cheaper.

I think for non power assist recirculating ball is nicer because it doesn't transmit road forces back to the driver like rack and pinion does. (Could be wrong)

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I thought recirculating ball[0] was commonly used in most passenger vehicles, and rack and pinion was more common in sports cars. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recirculating_ball

The only recent example I'm aware of is the Ineos Grenadier, and it's quite controversial as it means the steering is a) slow, and b) has very low self-centering (also a function of caster).

Recirculating ball steering also probably won't allow for new fangled features like active lane-keep assist, collision avoidance steering, self-parking, etc. (Which is probably not missed anyways by the 4x4 crowd, including the Ineos Grenadier ideology.) Mercedes switched their G-Class away from recirculating ball steering just a few years ago and I bet, based on MSRP, that their primary use now is much less 4x4 and much more embracing of complex computerized features for urban crawling and highway touring.

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> Also: this is not how modern power steering systems work. Yes, most hydraulic systems today have been replaced by electric power steering, which uses electronic sensors to determine how much assist to apply via an electric motor. Mechanically, it is simple and very low maintenance.

>Yes, most hydraulic systems today have been replaced by electric power steering, which uses electronic sensors to determine how much assist to apply via an electric motor. one small nit to pick many modern electric power steering systems are still hydraulic by nature. It's sometimes the case that the electric motor is driving fluid to enact the resistance change. Many cars that use Bosch electronics/driving-aids sti…

>many modern electric power steering systems are still hydraulic by nature

No they aren't. I have a car with EPS (electronic power steering) and it isn't playing any tricks. It's just an electric motor. What you are talking about is EHPS (electro-hydraulic power steering). Stop mixing up your terminology.

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