The movie Simone [2002] follows a fading director creating a virtual actress to star in his films and the attempts he makes to keep her non-presence a secret as she becomes more famous.
Life imitates art imitates life...
As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job
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#22Am I the only one who genuinely doesn't "get" the AI component of the actor strike? I'm generally in solidarity with labor, but clauses in a labor contract limiting the use of AI in an industry seems kind of insane and unsustainable. Is there any historical analog in the US labor movement?
I think it’s fair to negotiate the use of actors’ likeness without consent. And given this isn’t the only grievance they have it makes sense to put it on the table with everything else because why not?
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#23I don't see what the problem is. This is perfectly legal. Private companies can do whatever they want with their own money.
I don't understand these responses. Are you trying to push the window to make people feel like it is unacceptable to be critical of a company's actions? What if I am a shareholder (I am, through ETFs) of Netflix and I disagree with this? Shouldn't I be allowed to discuss and criticize the action?
In a field like acting where stars make millions per year, and the critique of this job is that somebody amounts to "this person is making too much money," the critiques run a bit hollow.
Will the SAG put a cap on actor's compensation? What makes an AI job worth inherently less than acting?
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#24Jokes on Netflix, if AI can generate shows why pay for Netflix when I'll eventually have a personal AI (provided by an open source project, because anything novel in this space is leaky) that generates an entertainment bubble for me?
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#25Stop blaming AI for the last decade of insulting and attacking your customers while offering quantity over quality. You've also diminished all your IPs to the point that fans don't care. Any criticism was shouted down. But the rot was there and audiences have moved on.
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#26>So $900k/yr per soldier in their godless AI army when that amount of earnings could qualify thirty-five actors and their families for SAG-AFTRA health insurance is just ghoulish, How many actors could Adam Sandler's $250M Netflix deal pay for?
Considering how many people would do shows/movies for free in the start of their career, answer would be ∞
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#27Am I the only one who genuinely doesn't "get" the AI component of the actor strike? I'm generally in solidarity with labor, but clauses in a labor contract limiting the use of AI in an industry seems kind of insane and unsustainable. Is there any historical analog in the US labor movement?
Really, what isn't there to get? The studios want to be able to pay an actor once, have them come in and scan them and say some lines, and then use their image/voice in perpetuity without paying them again. If you're a working actor, that means you no longer have a viable career.
Plus, this is exactly the type of thing that really union solidarity (or legislation) can prevent. AI still needs people as input. People can very rationally say they don't want to give it to them if it means it will destroy their livelihood.
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#28Am I the only one who genuinely doesn't "get" the AI component of the actor strike? I'm generally in solidarity with labor, but clauses in a labor contract limiting the use of AI in an industry seems kind of insane and unsustainable. Is there any historical analog in the US labor movement?
I think it's mainly hitching on to a pop culture moral outrage, vs an actual pressing issue.
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#29I would be curious how an AI job in this case would help with the strike breaking. Actors still arguably own their likeness, and it’s legally dubious to use an actors likeness to oust them from a position they would otherwise occupy, but I think it would be very hard to prove in court. I think the real money would be in hiring a legal team robust enough to define this.
There's no need to use the likeness of current actors.
Actors need a unique combination of assets: they need to have the right looks, the right voice and the right skills. That makes them expensive.
But with AI, we can combine one person's likeness with another person's voice and another person's acting, and use this to create new virtual actors.
Finding someone who merely looks good and is willing to sell their likeness will not be hard. Even that might not be necessary, since AI will soon be able to generate photorealistic human models that aren't based on anyone in particular.
Re: As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900k AI Job
#30Am I the only one who genuinely doesn't "get" the AI component of the actor strike? I'm generally in solidarity with labor, but clauses in a labor contract limiting the use of AI in an industry seems kind of insane and unsustainable. Is there any historical analog in the US labor movement?
Not unlike software engineers objecting to their code being used to train their AI replacements.