Wouldn't AI need a body to have emotions? Aren't many of the emotions that humans/animals feel based on sensors/sensations outside of the brain? We feel when we SEE/HEAR a threat and our instinct triggers to short circuit thinking in order to address it (fight or flight). An AI can think many iterations faster than humans and would have no use for this shortcut or need for a such sensors to feel unless maybe it had limited memory and were placed in a body and needed these short cuts to address low battery, physical threats, or the need to clone/propagate itself.
AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
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Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is speaking if not stringing together coherent words in a readable sentence? Expecting or abstracting human characteristics onto a probabilistic black-box modeled on human behavior is a trap. It's borderline "Finder smiles so my computer is happy" logic. We have created these things to closely model (but not replicate) human behavior. This is distinctly a high-level emulation, with zero consideration for human c…
> What is speaking if not stringing together coherent words in a readable sentence? Haven't the latest LLMs shown us that a neural net trained to "just string together readable words" leads to at least simple intelligence? [1] > I would say that emotion is something more intangible It feels like we just keeping shifting the goal posts. > If I tell ChatGPT "I shot you dead!" and it says "ow!" back, nothing has transpi…
> Haven't the latest LLMs shown us that a neural net trained to "just string together readable words" lead to at least simple intelligence?
LOL no. At least not for anyone outside of a few echo chambers. I have literally not spoken with a single human outside of one subset of the tech industry who says stuff like this.
> I agree. On the other hand, if I tell a bot "I'm going to turn you off now" and it tries to stop me, that implies it feels fear.
I wrote a Perl program (an IRC bot) that did this as a teenager. AI achieved /s
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#23To borrow a line from the classic movie Short Circuit, it's a machine! It doesn't get scared, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it just runs programs!
A computer does not have a consciousness that feels emotions. Sure, it can create output that seems like it does, possibly even well enough to cause humans to feel empathy. The movie "AI" explores this concept pretty well.
The world is going to become an interesting place once we create humanoid robots that you can actually talk to. We're at a point now where you can use ChatGPT combined with very convincing CGI face to talk to an AI.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#24>"Asked whether AI systems might one day have emotional intelligence and understand that they have feelings" There isn't a relationship between these two states. It's weird that anyone would pair them in conjunction. Also, there's a fast and loose use of the word "understand". Which embodies the type of sloppy language that creates the illusion that this issue is a serious discussion aside from entertainment. Project…
Here's the the thing, the brain is just an object too.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#25To borrow a line from the classic movie Short Circuit, it's a machine! It doesn't get scared, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it just runs programs! A computer does not have a consciousness that feels emotions. Sure, it can create output that seems like it does, possibly even well enough to cause humans to feel empathy. The movie "AI" explores this concept pretty well. The world is going to become an intere…
True! But this is not the silicon or the actual software programming but rather the program’s processing/out put as experienced by external users and systems.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#26Wouldn't AI need a body to have emotions? Aren't many of the emotions that humans/animals feel based on sensors/sensations outside of the brain? We feel when we SEE/HEAR a threat and our instinct triggers to short circuit thinking in order to address it (fight or flight). An AI can think many iterations faster than humans and would have no use for this shortcut or need for a such sensors to feel unless maybe it had l…
You are partly right. What is the preface to unknown questions or the ones it doesn't want to answer, but a short circuit. Having said that, I don't know if it would get bored of repeating itself when asked such questions in a long succession.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#27without a proper definition, you cant say AI does or does not have emotions.
generally, emotions are one tool in the toolbox that might be labeled “unconscious influence.” other tools include pain, dissociation. these are influences that manifest as neural attenuation or excitement. they are designed to broadly or locally change neural integration in a way that produces behavior that is informed by evolution rather than just what a persons mind is being exposed to in real time.
ultimately, unconscious influence can include hunger, thirst, all pressures and impulses that shape our behavior to be evolutionarily fit. intelligence is a raw resource and unconscious influence, emotions, gives intelligence a direction.
in this way, a prompt might be described as an emotion, defining the purpose of the whole machine. to complete the prompt.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#28To borrow a line from the classic movie Short Circuit, it's a machine! It doesn't get scared, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it just runs programs! A computer does not have a consciousness that feels emotions. Sure, it can create output that seems like it does, possibly even well enough to cause humans to feel empathy. The movie "AI" explores this concept pretty well. The world is going to become an intere…
The same can be said about meat brains, they just execute natural programs. There's no reason in principle why a meat brain should be able to experience emotion and silicon brains cannot.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#29It's ontologically impossible for matrix multiplication and non-linear transforms to have emotions. So I'm not sure where he's coming from.
At its core, what is our brain doing to cause us to experience emotions? Can that (neurons) be expressed mathematically? If so, what’s to say that math can’t experience emotions?
There's isn't a mathematical model of how thinking works, let alone of the entire organism. So no, respectfully. A theory that thinking equals math and so math must at some point equal thought (and then emotion) remains inhibited by the first unproved statement, at the least.
Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions
#30To borrow a line from the classic movie Short Circuit, it's a machine! It doesn't get scared, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it just runs programs! A computer does not have a consciousness that feels emotions. Sure, it can create output that seems like it does, possibly even well enough to cause humans to feel empathy. The movie "AI" explores this concept pretty well. The world is going to become an intere…
Atoms are just chemistry and physics! They don't get scared, they don't get happy, they don't get sad, they just run DNA!
An arrangement of atoms does not have a consciousness that feels emotions. Sure, it can replicate, but that does not imply consciousness.