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Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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From a quick scan the results are a bit surprising. One should know that dying ones hair involves 2 components: 1. developer. Some liquid that breaks open your hair follicles, containing usually 3%/6%/9% hydrogen peroxide. This is the aggressive stuf. 2. hair dye. The stuff that contains the color pigments. The more you have to bleach the hair, the more aggressive the developer formulation needs to be. If you have pe…

I think you are confusing follicle with cuticle.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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This one caught my attention. In 2015 my (now ex) girlfriend was diagnosed with TNBC. I obviously researched the hell out of it to gain as much of an understanding as I possibly could as a non-medical professional as I'm sure anyone would, and most of my reading suggested that it was mostly African American women and youngish white ladies who tend to get this. As far as I know, she had used permanent die at least onc…

Sorry to hear this. But are you implying one single use of hair dye could have caused her cancer?

Cancer is a numbers game. Unlike say, blackjack, you only know about certain risk factors. Many are unknown.

With skin cancer, getting a sunburn every two years triples your risk of developing melanoma. With the fairest skin types, even a single severe burn can increase risk if melanoma. Other skin cancers tend to result from constant exposure over time.

I don’t know much about this scenario with hair product. But if you have some other risk factors, it’s not unreasonable that a single exposure may result in a bad outcome.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> TNBC is not really a direct category of breast cancer. It's a catch all for "any breast cancer that doesn't have one of the main three targettable handles associated with breast cancer" > In many cases, it could even be a cancer "from some other organ" that winds up in the breast and happens to, even by chance (not growing in the breast because it's a favorable environment), grow there. That would imply metastasis,…

It doesn't imply metastasis in the way you're thinking about it. Just because a cancer cell has moved once doesn't mean it will aggressively keep moving to other organs. Honestly doctors won't investigate too hard because the recommended course of action is likely going to be the same. Anyways the longtime leading TNBC model cell line (which came from an African American woman, IIRC) turned out to be "likely originat…

> Anyways the longtime leading TNBC model cell line (which came from an African American woman, IIRC) turned out to be "likely originating from a melanoma".

Wow, I had to read that several times. I need to read it a few more times I think. Thank you for that.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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The paper cites endocrine disruption, but that seems like the least of your worries. Dyes have electron delocalization. That's why they're optically active. Those bonds will gladly participate in chemical reactions within your body. (One of the cited chemicals was a biphenyl, and looked particularly nasty.) Chemical straightener is even worse. They're intended to break disulfide bonds, which are of critical importanc…

OT: hijacking to reply to a past comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147435 > You might find my work based on the HN front page of interest: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110437783957361794 >. Note that this is a subset of total HN activity, though a significant subset. There's also Whaly.io's retrospectives based on the HN API: https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective > https://whaly.io/post…

This is a fantastic way to respond to an old comment.

Really interesting analysis. Thanks for sharing this!

I must be too active on HN when my username is showing up in these lists.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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From a quick scan the results are a bit surprising. One should know that dying ones hair involves 2 components: 1. developer. Some liquid that breaks open your hair follicles, containing usually 3%/6%/9% hydrogen peroxide. This is the aggressive stuf. 2. hair dye. The stuff that contains the color pigments. The more you have to bleach the hair, the more aggressive the developer formulation needs to be. If you have pe…

I wonder how that shakes out for hair stylists who are exposed more. They wear gloves, so maybe they don’t actually get much skin contact, but I wonder if rates would correlate with how careful they are with ppe.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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OT: hijacking to reply to a past comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147435 > You might find my work based on the HN front page of interest: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110437783957361794 >. Note that this is a subset of total HN activity, though a significant subset. There's also Whaly.io's retrospectives based on the HN API: https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective > https://whaly.io/post…

This is a fantastic way to respond to an old comment. Really interesting analysis. Thanks for sharing this! I must be too active on HN when my username is showing up in these lists.

One makes do as one must. Desire paths and all that jazz.

I've been having fun going through the data, and yes, there are some interesting bits that turn up. Quite a few unexpected. Validating the "flamewar detector" wasn't on my bingo card, but I've largely done that.

I'm also ... far too well represented in the data....

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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From a quick scan the results are a bit surprising. One should know that dying ones hair involves 2 components: 1. developer. Some liquid that breaks open your hair follicles, containing usually 3%/6%/9% hydrogen peroxide. This is the aggressive stuf. 2. hair dye. The stuff that contains the color pigments. The more you have to bleach the hair, the more aggressive the developer formulation needs to be. If you have pe…

Maybe those things are correlated with the use of other beauty products that cause cancer. If you regularly dye and straighten your hair, you are likely to have an extensive beauty routine that includes all kinds of substances.

It doesn't look like they corrected for this, unless I missed it.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fantastic way to respond to an old comment. Really interesting analysis. Thanks for sharing this! I must be too active on HN when my username is showing up in these lists.

One makes do as one must. Desire paths and all that jazz. I've been having fun going through the data, and yes, there are some interesting bits that turn up. Quite a few unexpected. Validating the "flamewar detector" wasn't on my bingo card, but I've largely done that. I'm also ... far too well represented in the data....

> Validating the "flamewar detector" wasn't on my bingo card, but I've largely done that.

> there are some interesting bits that turn up.

More on these items, please!

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One makes do as one must. Desire paths and all that jazz. I've been having fun going through the data, and yes, there are some interesting bits that turn up. Quite a few unexpected. Validating the "flamewar detector" wasn't on my bingo card, but I've largely done that. I'm also ... far too well represented in the data....

> Validating the "flamewar detector" wasn't on my bingo card, but I've largely done that. > there are some interesting bits that turn up. More on these items, please!

Mostly addressed in the Mastodon thread linked above. A few recent HN comments:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1690179064&dateRange=custom&...>

- "Most loved" US states, US cities, and international "global" cities in HN titles. (The first was the initial question sparking this study.) See: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110448411493288809>

- Variations in mentions of New York : https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110448429723139103>

- Most-mentioned companies. Google dominates overall, Apple seems to run 2nd, though Facebook is close on its tail: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110449891268489784>

- The list of obituaries -- "X has died" posts.

- Sites HN cares about being down: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110454565193449254>

- Past decades represented in FP articles: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110449005054961988>

- Things that suck, rock, will fail, etc.: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110454128168815763>

- Things that are balls: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110454182327232101>

- "Interesting" domain names: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110444667012943823> https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110444675223200000> https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110444967736236339>

- Seasonal variability in recruiting / hiring posts: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110450863651340466>

- Appearances of "Reddit" in front-page posts, by year: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110562736544096729>

- Classifying posts (by site), and patterns / trends in those classifications over the years: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110629931859296245>

- The Curious Decline in New York Times stories after 2019: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110444435692311695>

- Various trends in numbers and ratios of votes and comments, by story position (1st -- 30th), year, month, day of week, etc. "Spiciness" a/k/a "flamewar detector" metrics.

- Various site trends over the years, comings and goings.

Re: Hair dye and chemical straightener use and breast cancer risk (2019)

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From a quick scan the results are a bit surprising. One should know that dying ones hair involves 2 components: 1. developer. Some liquid that breaks open your hair follicles, containing usually 3%/6%/9% hydrogen peroxide. This is the aggressive stuf. 2. hair dye. The stuff that contains the color pigments. The more you have to bleach the hair, the more aggressive the developer formulation needs to be. If you have pe…

I think you are confusing follicle with cuticle.

Yes, you are right. I should have said hair shaft instead of follicle.
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