Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by croes » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:47 AM UTC

audessuscest wrote: post #12

H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

17° this morning in Kiev ;)

World hunger is on the rise.

I'm full, 8 o'clock in Paris.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by omnimus » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:48 AM UTC

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #15

H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

The right has been accused of denialism for decades at this point, but any time solutions they might be in favor of are proposed, the left gives us hysterics about how geo-engineering is too dangerous to contemplate. This leads me to believe that they're lying about how important it is to them. Supposedly, it is a world-ending scenario... at least when it comes to wrecking economies. But the moment real fixes are dis…

Firing thermonuclear bombs doesnt sound like first thing on the list we should try. It feels like it belongs atleast in the middle.

Same people (the rich) have been in power for a long time in much of the world. Its like they need anyones permission to do anything.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by croes » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:48 AM UTC

pipes wrote: post #9

hanniabu wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably never, the billionaires causing the issues can just create climate controlled bubbles to live in with the best technology for producing their own energy, clean water, and food. As long as they're able to run away from the problems then they'll never stop taking. Not to mention their lifetime won't get that bad on the scheme of things and they'll just love in parts of the world less affected.

How are billionaires causing climate change?

How do you think they made the money?

Growing trees?

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by ant6n » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:49 AM UTC

H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

Radical solutions are known but don’t involve risky Matrix-Style geo-engineering: very heavy taxation on CO2 emissions, 3x-4x those taxes for aviation emissions (due to radiative forcing), ban on ICE vehicles, successive ban on heating other than heat pumps, phase out of non renewable energy generation, in particular coal and gas.

Parts of these are being tried by the Greens in Germany (part of govt), but everyone is getting totally histerical, with all sorts of influence groups coming out of their holes and trying to shut down all the efforts.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by croes » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:50 AM UTC

The sad part is, it's not happening because we couldn't do anything but because we didn't do what we could.

Remember the sinking island scene in Erik the Viking?

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by throwaway33608 » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:51 AM UTC

dvh wrote: post #10

ghiculescu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of events do you forsee?

200 million people trying to get into (or get through) 5 million country

As someone from a such country of 5 million, this crosses my mind almost daily now.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by ndsipa_pomu » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:56 AM UTC

H8crilA wrote: post #7

ChatGTP wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What events don’t you see happening ? I can’t imagine things just “remaining the same” ?

What can't you imagine remaining the same?

Successful food harvests

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by danjac » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 6:57 AM UTC

croes wrote: post #19

danjac wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The German Greens are slowly inching towards nuclear, now the original 1980s membership are dying off and the Gazprom funding is running out: https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-po...

Still no solution for nuclear waste, still depend on external water cooling, security can't handle threads like cyber attacks and airplane crashes. That generation of power plants isn't really helping and new ones need a lot of time to build and produce lots of CO2 in the process.

All true, but right now those risks pale in comparison to the ongoing disasters caused by fossil fuels.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by ndsipa_pomu » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 7:04 AM UTC

croes wrote: post #25

The sad part is, it's not happening because we couldn't do anything but because we didn't do what we could. Remember the sinking island scene in Erik the Viking?

We should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of life to get a bit more profit.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by jgilias » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 7:05 AM UTC

seu wrote: post #17

H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

> At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? You mean, like, switching to a vegan diet, using public transport and stop flying? Those seem radical enough for most people in the Northern Hemisphere. > Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? Weird world, one in which people can consider drastically chan…

Individual decisions like that are only good for making yourself feel good about doing something, but it’s close to meaningless when it comes to actually solving it.

It’s systemic solutions that are needed. Some of those may include disincentivizing consumption. But it’s also not simple given that in many places there’s serious pushback against that. And also the economic cost. Everything is interwoven.

I wish people stopped pretending that this is just a matter of going vegan.