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New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> First amendment is on a much stronger legal standing than Roe was based on and has much fewer contradicting laws. I wonder what precedent links filming something to the 1st amendment. If I wanted to undermine the ability to film police, this is where I would look - because recording something, it could be argued, is not an expressive act. Consider states with "2 party consent" laws for recording phone conversations…
>If I wanted to undermine the ability to film police, this is where I would look - because recording something, it could be argued, is not an expressive act. I linked this on an earlier reply, but I believe it answers your question. https://canons.sog.unc.edu/2022/11/responding-to-first-amend... >Consider states with "2 party consent" laws for recording phone conversations. These have not been ruled unconstitutional…
> fact that some of them disliked being filmed so much just bolsters the case that they need to be filed, IMO
Most of us would be furious about being filmed on the job. We just don’t render deadly force.
Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
#23Filming police performing their duties is a constitutionally protected activity affirmed by many circuit courts and strongly alluded to by the SCOTUS. >On July 1, an Indiana law went into effect making it a crime to come within 25 feet of an on-duty police officer if ordered to stay back. Legislators in Florida, Louisiana, and New York have produced similar laws. 25 feet isn't very far. In the other states mentioned…
Does the 10 foot rule apply if you are the one being spoken to by the police? E.g. if you are recording a traffic stop.
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#24> "Many states have passed hate-speech laws that protect the police from verbal or symbolic abuse, such as stomping on a “Back the Blue” sign while “smirking in an intimidating manner” (the crime for which a woman in Utah was prosecuted)." Wow... this is just... The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence. Police carry at minimum one deadly weapon (a handgun), but usually have multiple so-called less-…
And yet it wasn't a smirk, now was it? It was a smirk and other things. Right or wrong, call it what it is. Don't drop info off the event, and focus on one part of it. And if someone has a right not to be harassed, when doing their job in an office, why doesn't a cop, when doing their job on the street? Note, I said "doing their job", not "doing it wrong". For damned sure there are bad cops. But by god, there are a l…
Spoken like someone who has never worked retail.
Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
#25> "Many states have passed hate-speech laws that protect the police from verbal or symbolic abuse, such as stomping on a “Back the Blue” sign while “smirking in an intimidating manner” (the crime for which a woman in Utah was prosecuted)." Wow... this is just... The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence. Police carry at minimum one deadly weapon (a handgun), but usually have multiple so-called less-…
And yet it wasn't a smirk, now was it? It was a smirk and other things. Right or wrong, call it what it is. Don't drop info off the event, and focus on one part of it. And if someone has a right not to be harassed, when doing their job in an office, why doesn't a cop, when doing their job on the street? Note, I said "doing their job", not "doing it wrong". For damned sure there are bad cops. But by god, there are a l…
Crumpling a yard sign doesn't deserve a year in jail, or any jail time in my opinion.
Office workers don't have a monopoly on violence. Unfortuntely there are quite a few examples of cops treating anything other than obsequience as harassment.
The problem with good police officers is that if you actually try and stand up to the institution of policing, your buddies will throw you in the psych ward on false premises and make a challenge coin to commemorate doing it.
Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
#26Filming police performing their duties is a constitutionally protected activity affirmed by many circuit courts and strongly alluded to by the SCOTUS. >On July 1, an Indiana law went into effect making it a crime to come within 25 feet of an on-duty police officer if ordered to stay back. Legislators in Florida, Louisiana, and New York have produced similar laws. 25 feet isn't very far. In the other states mentioned…
What stops an officer from walking up to someone filming them and then arresting them for being "too close" since they're now <10 feet from officer in question?
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#27Police officers are citizens just like everyone else. No one has any expectation of privacy while operating in public. The police are just asking for more people to dislike them. How do you treat everyone like shit, try to take away our rights, and then expect everyone to respect you? Respect is a two-way street.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet it wasn't a smirk, now was it? It was a smirk and other things. Right or wrong, call it what it is. Don't drop info off the event, and focus on one part of it. And if someone has a right not to be harassed, when doing their job in an office, why doesn't a cop, when doing their job on the street? Note, I said "doing their job", not "doing it wrong". For damned sure there are bad cops. But by god, there are a l…
Thanks to your comment I read through to the original article and it’s even more despicable than I’d thought from the description. She’s being accused of a “hate crime” for “intimidating the police” based on defacing a sign. It’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard of, and I have no idea why any rational human being would defend it.
Several people have been charged with hate crimes for spinning their car tires over rainbow painted sidewalks, even though nobody else was present.
Hate crime is a fucking stupid term; a crime is a crime is a crime. That said, if targeting one group deserves special treatment, then targeting any group should get the same. Equal application of the law, y'know?
Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet it wasn't a smirk, now was it? It was a smirk and other things. Right or wrong, call it what it is. Don't drop info off the event, and focus on one part of it. And if someone has a right not to be harassed, when doing their job in an office, why doesn't a cop, when doing their job on the street? Note, I said "doing their job", not "doing it wrong". For damned sure there are bad cops. But by god, there are a l…
Thanks to your comment I read through to the original article and it’s even more despicable than I’d thought from the description. She’s being accused of a “hate crime” for “intimidating the police” based on defacing a sign. It’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard of, and I have no idea why any rational human being would defend it.
Those of us who said, over and over again, how dumb it was to make up "hate crimes" as a thing are smirking. We did tell you what would happen. Nobody wanted to hear it. Now it's here and everyone is all "shocked Pikachu" from the middle of that slippery slope.
Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If I wanted to undermine the ability to film police, this is where I would look - because recording something, it could be argued, is not an expressive act. I linked this on an earlier reply, but I believe it answers your question. https://canons.sog.unc.edu/2022/11/responding-to-first-amend... >Consider states with "2 party consent" laws for recording phone conversations. These have not been ruled unconstitutional…
> fact that some of them disliked being filmed so much just bolsters the case that they need to be filed, IMO Most of us would be furious about being filmed on the job. We just don’t render deadly force.
For many service workers interacting with the public it's already a reality that they get filmed and posted on TikTok/Instagram - especially if an interaction goes wrong.