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Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Post by dspillett »

marcinzm wrote: post #13
dustypotato wrote: post #2

First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

Isn't that a GDPR violation since they're not allowed to prevent access if you refuse to share data not necessary for the service to function? Since it's from Meta I suspect regulators would enjoy another thing to add to the list for future fine calculations.

It depends. If everything stored & tracked is genuinely necessary (as defined by the regulations) then consent is not required. If they are just telling you that they are storing & tracking necessary things like session information, then all is good (unless the things they store & track are not, in fact, strictly necessary and non-privacy-affecting).

Of course if they don't need consent, then why are they making a song & dance about it having us click an accept button?

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Post by Roark66 »

machinekob wrote: post #3

Non-commercial licence :[

I wonder, let's say one uses it on an open source project that accepts donations. Is that non-commercial enough? Or is it a no-no because money is involved? I'm just curious.

I'm glad such free datasets exist even if they are restricted to educational/hobby use.

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Post by bad_username »

master-lincoln wrote: post #12
coldpie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to admit, for technical folks like ourselves, I don't understand why you care what options the dialog presents. Just use a "Kill Sticky" plugin to nuke the stupid dialog so you can read the page, or even Accept them, and then instruct your browser to do whatever you like with the cookies the site creates (i.e. delete them). It's all in your hands, the popup dialog doesn't do anything you can't do yourself.

you should care because often this agreement is not about the technical detail of cookies, but allowing the company you are interacting with to share data about you with 3rd parties.

It's also in direct violation of GDPR.

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Post by WhackyIdeas »

dustypotato wrote: post #2

First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

Noticed the same thing as I always select ‘necessary only’ or something like that.

Instead, I just closed the page and clicked on HN comments to see what it was about.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Post by js8 »

explaininjs wrote: post #15
coldpie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to admit, for technical folks like ourselves, I don't understand why you care what options the dialog presents. Just use a "Kill Sticky" plugin to nuke the stupid dialog so you can read the page, or even Accept them, and then instruct your browser to do whatever you like with the cookies the site creates (i.e. delete them). It's all in your hands, the popup dialog doesn't do anything you can't do yourself.

Learned helplessness. Teach the citizens that the only thing protecting them from the Big Scary Internet is their benevolent government. Meanwhile the politicians collect millions from the mass media companies that lobbied for the god-awful implementation of the law we all ended up with, and as everyone gets worn down into Accepting All always, they simultaneously forget that their User Agent holds all the cards (or…

Aside from what ethbr0 said, which I agree, that you're blaming the victim, I want to address the "learned helplessness" idea.

I heard recently that's actually wrong. We are born helpless, and learning to take control. The helplessness is innate, and we learn to overcome it.

In democracy, the innate helplessness of citizens is overcome by learning to participate in governance - activism, elections, public functions and so on.

The people who say "government does nothing good ever" are the ones who want to keep people in their natural helpless state. It's like telling a student, "you're doing it all wrong and can never be good".

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Post by mike_d »

marcinzm wrote: post #13
dustypotato wrote: post #2

First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

Isn't that a GDPR violation since they're not allowed to prevent access if you refuse to share data not necessary for the service to function? Since it's from Meta I suspect regulators would enjoy another thing to add to the list for future fine calculations.

Not at all. You can have a single prompt with a single accept button if you are only using functional cookies on a site.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Post by nightpool »

dustypotato wrote: post #2

First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

This is common on many, many sites like this because they do not have any tracking cookies or anything else that they would need consent for, but they're still required to display a cookie banner "notifying" you that cookies are "in use" as per the terms of the old 2009 ePrivacy Directive. In this case, it appears that projectaria.com sets 1) one cookie for the user's DPR (1 or 2) so that the backend can serve optimized images, 2) one cookie for the user's locale, and 3) one cookie for a CSRF token for form submission.

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Post by capableweb »

nightpool wrote: post #27
dustypotato wrote: post #2

First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

This is common on many, many sites like this because they do not have any tracking cookies or anything else that they would need consent for, but they're still required to display a cookie banner "notifying" you that cookies are "in use" as per the terms of the old 2009 ePrivacy Directive. In this case, it appears that projectaria.com sets 1) one cookie for the user's DPR (1 or 2) so that the backend can serve optimi…

> but they're still required to display a cookie banner "notifying" you that cookies are "in use"

Common misconception but this is not true. If you use cookies only for functional purposes (not for tracking for example), you do not need to show any cookie banners. Like if you have a shopping cart and you have a cookie for keeping track of what's in it, it's for functional purposes for the user and hence needs no notice to be used.

The UK's ICO made a handy summary for people who are curious about what the directive actually says: https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1545/co...

Specifically:

> Exceptions from the requirement to provide information and obtain consent

> Activities likely to fall within the exception: [...] Some cookies help ensure that the content of your page loads quickly [...] Certain cookies providing security that is essential to comply with the security requirements [...]

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Post by croes »

nightpool wrote: post #27
dustypotato wrote: post #2

First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

This is common on many, many sites like this because they do not have any tracking cookies or anything else that they would need consent for, but they're still required to display a cookie banner "notifying" you that cookies are "in use" as per the terms of the old 2009 ePrivacy Directive. In this case, it appears that projectaria.com sets 1) one cookie for the user's DPR (1 or 2) so that the backend can serve optimi…

Then why does the banner say?

>We use cookies to personalise and improve content and services, deliver relevant advertisements and increase the safety of our users

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Post by socratic1 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #18
ikhatri wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Egocentric means that the sensors frame of reference is the same as the ego (self). The person walking around is wearing the sensors/glasses themselves & their pose is given as “ego pose”. This dataset is clearly targeted for research on AR/XR/VR applications.

+1 I’ll “yes and” here…beyond AR/VR a more powerful use case is multi-modal learning (with RL) which is what Meta is probably the leader in IMO. Example paper here: “ Towards Continual Egocentric Activity Recognition: A Multi-modal Egocentric Activity Dataset for Continual Learning” https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.10931 This IMO is the pathway to AGI, as it combines all sense-plan-do data into a time coordinated stream an…

+1

Applications of embodied AI very interesting. Additionally a lot of hard problems are increasingly being solved in simulation like this. See Wayve's GAIA world model

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