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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by skissane »

atherton33 wrote: post #7
the-scrabi wrote: post #2

Google accepted a DMCA request for the homepage of the Android streaming app NewPipe. Its homepage newpipe.net has been removed from Google search results if one searches for "newpipe". NewPipe is an alternative privacy focused YouTube frontend, but also supports other services like PeerTube, SoundCloud and Bandcamp.

The way the DMCA works, to my understanding, Google has to accept the notice, unless NewPipe submits a counter notice, which can be done here: https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905 Proceed as if reporting infringement, and the option will appear to specify this is a counter report. If the reporter chooses to continue, the next step is with the courts.

> Google has to accept the notice, unless NewPipe submits a counter notice,

They don’t have to accept it-they can choose to ignore or reject it. However, if they choose to ignore/reject it, and the notifier then sues them, they may lose one of their legal defences.

Obviously they decide that most of the time complying is the legally less risky path, so most of the time they comply. However, if they get a DMCA request for a famous website like nytimes.com, they probably won’t action it.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

chris37879 wrote: post #14
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #13

Isn't Google forced to comply with DMCA takedown requests regardless of their legitimacy?

No, that’s just how they’ve chosen to handle them to keep their unofficial “safe harbor” status since net neutrality is dead.

Safe harbor is officially part of DMCA though where if you are notified of infringing content and take it down you aren't liable right?

https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A...

> DMCA Title II, the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act ("OCILLA"), creates a safe harbor for online service providers (OSPs, including ISPs) against copyright infringement liability, provided they meet specific requirements.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by hunter2_ »

DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are regarding tools that circumvent effective access controls.

I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right?

What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret, that never gets served to clients typically but that apps like Newpipe figured out?

Unofficial cable TV descramblers are illegal despite simply reconstructing the missing sync signal, but that's because they facilitate theft of services that are normally paid. YouTube is free.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by awinter-py »

incredibly useful product. pretty sure 'background play' is a paid feature on default droid youtube[1]. newpipe does it out of the box. I don't object to paying for youtube but I do object to them linking my watch activity to my account. guessing youtube is constantly trying to kill this, just like ytdl, but for now amazing work keeping it up

1. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7437614

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by donmcronald »

jeroenhd wrote: post #11

All of this because they don't want you to download Guizmo - Dans ma ruche ( https://ssyoutube.com/en691rT/ ) Not the first time they've spammed DMCA takedowns either: https://lumendatabase.org/faceted_search?sender_name=Because... In comically French fashion, their complaints also include the same message in French just in case someone in Mountain View is more fluent in French than in English. I wonder if this is ju…

I'm pretty skeptical of stuff like that. To me, it looks like they proxy the download for you, but that doesn't make sense because there's no way they have the revenue to support that, right?

How does it work? Can someone explain it to me?

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by wtallis »

fweimer wrote: post #10
atherton33 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way the DMCA works, to my understanding, Google has to accept the notice, unless NewPipe submits a counter notice, which can be done here: https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905 Proceed as if reporting infringement, and the option will appear to specify this is a counter report. If the reporter chooses to continue, the next step is with the courts.

I don't think counter notices apply to circumvention devices. There is also no liability exemption for service providers.

> I don't think counter notices apply to circumvention devices.

Right, because the DMCA takedown notice procedure as a whole doesn't apply to circumvention devices, only to content that is itself copyright infringement.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by waxyalan »

world2vec wrote: post #19

Any good equivalent to Newpipe for iOS? I'm using Video Lite so I only get one ad when opening the app. I'd like to have SponsorBlock like some Newpipe versions have and no ads at all.

Yattee is worth checking out https://github.com/yattee/yattee

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by wtallis »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22
chris37879 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that’s just how they’ve chosen to handle them to keep their unofficial “safe harbor” status since net neutrality is dead.

Safe harbor is officially part of DMCA though where if you are notified of infringing content and take it down you aren't liable right? https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A... > DMCA Title II, the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act ("OCILLA"), creates a safe harbor for online service providers (OSPs, including ISPs) against copyright infringe…

The notice [0] says "Kind of Work: Unspecified" and "Original URLs: No copyrighted URLs were submitted" so the safe harbor provisions pertaining to copyright infringement aren't really applicable here.

[0] https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34149383

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by mrmuagi »

tohnjitor wrote: post #20

NewPipe is excellent. I was disappointed that it was not available for desktop until I discovered tartube which will download video files from almost any website easily

Oh neat, looks like tartube is a GUI frontend for youtube-dl.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by dspillett »

4ggr0 wrote: post #12
talldatethrow wrote: post #8

I just installed the app. Thanks Google.

There a version of the NewPipe app which contains the SponsorBlock plugin. I use it since months and can't watch YouTube videos without it anymore.

I block ads not because I'm completely anti-advert. I'm anti being-stalked-through-my-entire-life-and-having-my-details-sold-like-I'm-a-cheap-peice-of-meat, and unfortunately ATM blocking that also means blocking most online adverts.

So I draw the line before sponsorblock. At least the content creators get a better cut of that than they get from YouTube monetisation & youtube can't take it away from them as easily at a whim, and those segments don't track me, and there is an increased chance that the sponsor is relevant to what I'm looking at (not what I clicked on days ago). One or two channels even manage to make the sponsor segments fractionally entertaining.

I'm also anti irritating adverts of course, which does include manually skipping some sponsor segments or avoiding channels that can be relied upon to be irritating in that way.

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