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Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#21
At some point around 2008 starting a (tech) company became possible at "ramen" levels - middle class kids could launch on AWS etc. Tech VC struggled to adjust and a new breed of VC (ie ycombinator) saw a gap and exploited it - they needed smart founders who could get to series A with minimal funding. (more fairly they also (slowly?) paid founders much more and encouraged earlier liquidity so founders you know could see earlier payoffs)

anyway, the point was that it became possible to launch and run with small capital investment. But at some point you had to hire more people to do the extra coding bits.

I am wondering if LLMs are about to chnage that. The coding output is so good it could put off hiring a tranche of new devs for months or years. "create a web page to show the cities in yellow where users > 1 poker per month" is something you used to hire someone to do, and correct their work. now you are hiring OpenAI.

How much early phase work can be delegated to OpenAI if you know the right questions? Can the onboarding work through a chat bot? the initial demos? And is the next ycombinator skill set going to be "I know the right questions to ask ChatGPT to allow you to keep lean for another year?"

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#22
You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!!

Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes.

If you don’t like any of those end states and what it realistically will take to get to them, don’t raise money from VCs.

But, having done so and been successful and taken a company public, I can say: it’s pretty great and I have zero regrets about anyone we raised money from. And I’m proud that everyone who invested in us prior to going public made at least a 10x return.

While there are plenty of VC horror stories, there are fairytales as well.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#23
Only take rocket fuel (VC funding) if you've got a rocket (PMF in a massive TAM with net revenue retention)

If you don't have a rocket, the rocket fuel will be wasted and disappointing in any other vehicle. Ideally you bootstrap until it's clear. But if you start the company with VC funding, you should know the expectation.

If you truly have a rocket the economics of VC funding is favorable for everyone.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#24

On the other hand, my first self-funded startup got destroyed by a VC funded venture. They had a worse product but far better marketing and they used every dirty trick in book to tarnish my company’s reputation. There is no way I’ll start another startup unless I receive backing from a huge VC company. Current economic paradigm is more similar to centralised/controlled economies of USSR. Thus if you want to succeed,…

What does SSBC mean in this context?

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#25

On the other hand, my first self-funded startup got destroyed by a VC funded venture. They had a worse product but far better marketing and they used every dirty trick in book to tarnish my company’s reputation. There is no way I’ll start another startup unless I receive backing from a huge VC company. Current economic paradigm is more similar to centralised/controlled economies of USSR. Thus if you want to succeed,…

I second this. Have had a similar experience.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#27
I recognize there must be good VCs around, but so much of what you see looks really like a kid's game to me. So many douchy people with the same cliche advice acting like they're visionaries. And a certain kind of "lifestyle" "founder" fawning all over them. Starting a company has been commoditized and turned into an internship for smart kids. I know it's not all like this but for anyone seriously interested in doing something different, the whole scene comes off as very unappealing.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#28
>Maybe it’s the amount of customers a company has, or the speed at which that customer base is growing. Business dudes like to call it traction, but I’m not sure whether they know what they’re really talking about. I’m not even sure if they know what they’re talking about. Regardless, whatever traction may be, the minor problem is that, well, having traction doesn’t magically make your company profitable.

People wondered how Google and Facebook will going to be profitable with billions of users and gaining no money from those users. There's always going to be a way to convert users into money.

Many companies are trying to grow at first and then find a way to monetize the user base.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#29
> You confess that you as a founder were still not able to make the company profitable with the resources you currently had. You’re bleeding money, and you need more.

For a lot of companies this is true, but tons of business models require economies of scale to be profitable and there's nothing wrong with that. It's not a failure to say that a company can't be profitable at a small scale.

The real issues are the plethora of companies where the unit economics will never make sense regardless of scale. Painting VC money with such a large brush is unhelpful.

> VC Funding Means You Will Sell Your Company

I think this is the more serious critique. Your VC investor wants you to make an exit, either through IPO or acquisition. This is the VC business model. A steadily growing profitable business will almost never provide the kind of return neccesary to compensate the risk of a VC firm.

If that's something you're okay with, great.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#30
Having co-founded multiple companies and been an early or the first employee at several more, several of which have taken VC funding, this feel unnuanced. Of the VC funded companies I've been involved with I think only one would've happened at all without VC funding because they'd have been too capital intensive. For the one that we could've done without a VC, I do somewhat regret taking VC money, as we ended up pushed by investors into selling off a part of the business that could've been a nice lifestyle business, but it's not at all a given it'd have grown enough without taking investment to be worth it.

I've bootstrapped businesses too, and it's an arduous process and often far slower. If you're successful you're then lucky enough to be fully in the drivers seat, and that's great. If you're not, chances are you've wasted far more time.

Overall it boils down to what do you want? VC accelerates the the whole process, and multiplies outcomes - both risks and rewards. If you feel comfortable with taking a higher risk for a chance at either making it big fast or failing fast, then VC investment can be great. If your idea is your baby or your life's mission and it's what you want to keep doing whether or not it's a runaway success, VC might be a poor fit for you unless you happen to strike it lucky very quickly and can dictate terms - control can slip away very fast if things go in the wrong direction or too slow.

I'm far less likely to take VC money if I were to start something today largely because I've got enough money that it'd take far better terms to make it feel worth it, but I don't regret taking investment in the past other than maybe that single one I mentioned.

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