This statistic is meaningless without a discussion of the detection limit and whether it differs from the minimum harmful dose.
Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#22It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?
Like with many things the goal may be bipartisan, but how to get there will not be Republicans will reject any funding methods that add to the national debt, or taxes businesses Democrats will reject any funding methods the come with strings attached to reduce or pull funding from other programs, or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" So with such an impasse nothing will get done
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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
> or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" Your bias is showing a bit there.
My bias is Anti-government. The best government is the smallest government, and I believe in strict interpretation of Article 1 Sec 8 powers. That said, where am I wrong, for the last several decades all the Democrats do is talk about how the Rich do not pay their "fair share" never defining what a fair share is.. and how we always need to tax them more... I have also seen it Move from "millionaires and billionaires"…
Given that in Article 1 Section 8 is the following:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
highlight: "provide for the common Defense and general Welfare"
Seems to strongly indicate that clean water, clean food, medical, etc, are part of the "general welfare".
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
> or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" Your bias is showing a bit there.
My bias is Anti-government. The best government is the smallest government, and I believe in strict interpretation of Article 1 Sec 8 powers. That said, where am I wrong, for the last several decades all the Democrats do is talk about how the Rich do not pay their "fair share" never defining what a fair share is.. and how we always need to tax them more... I have also seen it Move from "millionaires and billionaires"…
Small government is a common talking point pulling on the strings of what we all intuitively desire (less intrusion in our lives) without providing context.
I’d love to see less government interference in people’s reproductive rights, in education like the massive censorship around US history of slavery and genocide and the slightest mention of lgbtq people. Imagine Germany fighting tooth and nail against teaching about the world wars in school - would be a bit of a red flag, no?
Government protecting corporations from their responsibilities to the safety of the public and toward our ecosystems is extremely oppressive toward us, our children, and I see as interference. Defining government enforcing such protections as “interference” is an obvious sleigh of hand. Another example is extending copyright to longer than 7-15 years and enforcing this insanity for the robbing of the public domain.
People keeping their fair share of their labor is a similar one. I’d like to see a cap on exploitation of 99% of people, not constant reductions on the taxes that the 1% earn while they sleep - mostly at the cost of the rest not having livable wages.
East access to healthcare and great education makes a strong nation. Encouraging prosperity for all instead of creating moats around the wealth of the richest extractors also makes a strong nation.
I want to see the US as a strong healthy nation, very very much.
I think we’re on the same page, would you agree?
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#25It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?
Like with many things the goal may be bipartisan, but how to get there will not be Republicans will reject any funding methods that add to the national debt, or taxes businesses Democrats will reject any funding methods the come with strings attached to reduce or pull funding from other programs, or that does not excessively and punitively tax business and "the rich" So with such an impasse nothing will get done
> Like with many things the goal may be bipartisan, but how to get there will not be
Why not the existing EPA Superfund program? Discovering pollution from industry decades after the contamination took place isn't a new problem.
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#26And not just the tap water. Eating a fish meal out of the Mississippi in Minnesota (by 3M) will give you a month's worth of PFOS if you were just drinking contaminated tap water. It's a real shame because the Mississippi mercury levels were finally down enough to eat fish.
How much is “a month’s worth” and how does that amount related to known toxicity levels?
I mean, water naturally contains toxins like arsenic and lead. We don’t fret when it’s present (its present in most water) but only when the amounts cause toxicity.
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#27Does this mean the whole easter seaboard, should consider bottled water instead of tap?
Bottled water is typically tap water filled with microplastics, so that’d be worse for you.
Many are distilled tap, which it's pretty clean (but also lacking natural minerals) before they add the microplastics.
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#28It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?
Why should the government pay for it? The companies that produced these PFAS and let it pollute our country should be taxed heavily to pay for it.
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#29It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?
Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it's just 2 sides of the same coin.
Fluoride is an actual chemical, and the Alex Jones "turning the frogs gay" comment was about a study that linked the presence of atrazine (a pesticide legal in the US but banned in the EU) in a water supply with the demasculinization of frogs
(FWIW there's been replication issues when other people ran the same experiment).
Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’
#30It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?
Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The chemical is atrazine and it tests it did turn frogs from male to female. We can quibble over whether or not dosage matters but I think it should also be uncontroversial that using a chemical that disrupts hormones like that should not be used on food that we consume.