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Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Good news, now if we can just get rid of all the domestic spying and police overreach, we might resemble a semblance of a free society rather than an analog of it.

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Twitter is not a Nazi hellscape. It's a Nazi-accusation hellscape, but anywhere where "Nazi" is a bad word is not going to be a Nazi hellscape.

It's like saying Salem was a witchcraft hellscape. If you were the one saying that, then you were one of the ones creating the actual hellscape.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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>But Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump nominee at US District Court for the Western District of Louisiana, granted the plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction imposing limits... 1. Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious, but also sad that that is the effect and that papers need to list who nominated a judge. 2. Granting a preliminary injunction is a long way from winning a case. 3. There is pressure and th…

To points 1 and 2 this particular judge, amongst others, has been known to issue overly broad injunctions that reek of political bias.

The injunction is almost more the point of these cases.

If someone goes forum shopping, they have a decent chance of shutting down whatever Democratic policy they want until the injunction can be appealed. Or worse, a narrow injunction can conflict with a national injunction, which puts an administration in the position of choosing which binding injunction to follow. This recently occurred with an abortion drug [0].

[0] https://www.npr.org/2023/04/07/1159220452/abortion-pill-drug...

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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> Doughty said that one Flaherty [White House director of digital strategy] message in February 2021 accused Facebook "of causing 'political violence' by failing to censor false COVID-19 claims." Flaherty also wrote in a July 2021 email to Facebook, "Are you guys fucking serious? I want an answer on what happened here and I want it today." Sure sounds like a relationship where the power only goes one direction and th…

which direction are you imagining?

the one originating from the dude who used a swear word?

or the one originating from the company who felt comfortable ignoring the dude and the request?

after all, anyone can feel comfortable demanding anything, what matters is what they get:

e.g. TFG felt comfortable demanding that his political rivals be imprisoned, did he get it?

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Good news, now if we can just get rid of all the domestic spying and police overreach, we might resemble a semblance of a free society rather than an analog of it.

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On the contrary, Nazis were very aggressive about suppression of speech they didn’t like.

Furthermore, it was one of, possibly the very most, free-speaking societies in the world that played a key role—first economically, then militarily—in stopping them.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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>But Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump nominee at US District Court for the Western District of Louisiana, granted the plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction imposing limits... 1. Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious, but also sad that that is the effect and that papers need to list who nominated a judge. 2. Granting a preliminary injunction is a long way from winning a case. 3. There is pressure and th…

> Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious, but also sad that that is the effect and that papers need to list who nominated a judge.

They don't, they just choose to do so. It's the same way pundits, authors, and broadcasters often get labeled "right-wing" or "conservative" while similarly left-wing ones don't get labeled. It's an editorial choice to call the reader's attention to it and imply relevance.

Beyond that, I think this is unique relative to the normal "bully pulpit" pressure in that:

* It's being used in order to suppress speech and opposition to the administration's policies, and

* It was being done in secret, not exposed until later, and has otherwise shown no signs of stopping

That makes it a bit different from, say, publicly pressuring lawmakers to reduce tariffs on sugar.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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>But Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump nominee at US District Court for the Western District of Louisiana, granted the plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction imposing limits... 1. Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious, but also sad that that is the effect and that papers need to list who nominated a judge. 2. Granting a preliminary injunction is a long way from winning a case. 3. There is pressure and th…

4. Which movies were censored, by whom?

5. That's clearly the Legislature's job. The Legislature is not the Executive. They make new law, not apply existing law.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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post #2

Good news, now if we can just get rid of all the domestic spying and police overreach, we might resemble a semblance of a free society rather than an analog of it.

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The thing is, Nazis are really unpopular, so if we have a free market, Nazi hellscapes will be unpopular, too.

This is a case where the free market is good at solving a problem, we know this because Nazis have been writing books for nearly a century, yet you probably haven't heard of any of them other than Mein Kampf.

Whether we have a free market in social media is up for debate, certainly the dominant platforms enjoy network effects and go to great lengths to keep their users locked in, even when they have Nazis running around on them and the users don't want to see Nazis. We even have evidence that some platforms will show more Nazis to you if Nazis trigger you and make you want to fight with them! But I think a landscape with more platforms is a good way to try and deal with this. If anything in the Mastodon world you have the exact opposite problem, platforms defederate each other for very small offenses, being a full blown Nazi is definitely not required.

And whether people use the Nazi hellscape argument genuinely or as a straw man/proxy for "things I don't like" is an open question as well.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been plenty of free platforms that have not turned out like that. HN, for example.

Is HN “free?” How heavy of a hand do the mods have here? (I genuinely don’t know the answer to that question.)

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Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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>But Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump nominee at US District Court for the Western District of Louisiana, granted the plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction imposing limits... 1. Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious, but also sad that that is the effect and that papers need to list who nominated a judge. 2. Granting a preliminary injunction is a long way from winning a case. 3. There is pressure and th…

> Him being a trump nominee makes me suspicious, but also sad that that is the effect and that papers need to list who nominated a judge. They don't, they just choose to do so. It's the same way pundits, authors, and broadcasters often get labeled "right-wing" or "conservative" while similarly left-wing ones don't get labeled. It's an editorial choice to call the reader's attention to it and imply relevance. Beyond t…

After the Senate ran a party-line unpresidented and unconstitutional multi-year campaign to block Obama's nominations from entering office without even a hearing, and then packed the courts with their own judges, it absolutely is relevant who appointed a judge.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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post #20

> Doughty said that one Flaherty [White House director of digital strategy] message in February 2021 accused Facebook "of causing 'political violence' by failing to censor false COVID-19 claims." Flaherty also wrote in a July 2021 email to Facebook, "Are you guys fucking serious? I want an answer on what happened here and I want it today." Sure sounds like a relationship where the power only goes one direction and th…

which direction are you imagining? the one originating from the dude who used a swear word? or the one originating from the company who felt comfortable ignoring the dude and the request? after all, anyone can feel comfortable demanding anything, what matters is what they get : e.g. TFG felt comfortable demanding that his political rivals be imprisoned, did he get it?

Who did TFG send his demands to? His rally crowds have no power to act, and consented, so there is no coercion.
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