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Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

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I'm looking forward to the day when I stay in a 100$/night hotel and I don't have to pay for my fricking internet. Every motel/hostel has it for free as it should. To me charging for internet (in hotels/resturatns) in 2012 is the same as charging for using the shower or lights.

Every motel/hostel that I've been to with free internet has ended up with internet so slow that its unusable. I'm happy to pay for it to be able to access at faster than dialup speeds. As for why they charge it's because they can. Their target markets are already paying a premium for a room so a small extra charge for internet isn't that much of a deal. People looking for the savings of a hostel are just as likely to go to Starbucks/McDonalds for free internet.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

#23
post #14

wouldn't it be cheaper to get a mobile router and a mobile flatrate for the country? Where I live 15€ would buy 1gb for a month. I have wondered about easily obtaining prepaid cards for travel, might be a business opportunity if there is no good solution yet?

There are a few international sim-card providers, but I don't think any of them are really good. It is a business opportunity for sure, but it's also somewhat complex.

I usually try to get my hands on a local card when I travel, but the rates (and availability) varies significantly between countries.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

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post #12

I'm looking forward to the day when I stay in a 100$/night hotel and I don't have to pay for my fricking internet. Every motel/hostel has it for free as it should. To me charging for internet (in hotels/resturatns) in 2012 is the same as charging for using the shower or lights.

Every motel/hostel that I've been to with free internet has ended up with internet so slow that its unusable. I'm happy to pay for it to be able to access at faster than dialup speeds. As for why they charge it's because they can. Their target markets are already paying a premium for a room so a small extra charge for internet isn't that much of a deal. People looking for the savings of a hostel are just as likely to…

Problem is even when you do pay for it (at say a Marriott), it's still slow.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

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I was staying with my brothers at a hotel in Amsterdam and I had brought my laptop; the hotel offered free unencrypted WiFi for guests. Since it's in a big city, as you might imagine, you don't want the neighbors stealing all of your bandwidth, so even though it was free for us, there was a sign-in page -- you had to go downstairs and request that the desk official give you a token, then use that token to register with the system.

So I thought that, since I had permission to access this network anyway, I would break in -- just to see if I could. And I'd tell them about my results the next morning as we turned in our keys and headed off.

Actually since there wasn't any encryption there isn't much to say after that -- it was obvious that their system wasn't too sophisticated, so I just guessed "they check MAC addresses, don't they?"

Using the airotools-ng package for Ubuntu, I set my wireless card into "monitor mode", which (I'm not an expert) I guess is a fancy way of saying "it stopped ignoring everything it saw flying through the air in my hotel room." Normally your computer treats all of these other signals as noise relative to its own goal of connecting to the Internet -- but it's absolutely trivial to start listening to it. With the tool airodump-ng, I was able to see all of the routers at my hotel and MAC addresses of real users connecting to those routers. So I put one of those into my "Connect to the Internet" dialog box under "Cloned MAC address," and hey look, I just saved the desk clerk some time.

I mentioned that I'd done it the next day to the desk clerk as I checked out -- that any competent neighbor could steal their wireless access. I'll never forget his response: "yes, but they're all incompetent."

A similar experience: when I first came to live at my present household, I knew that we had shared WiFi but I didn't know the password -- and the guy who did know had just stepped into the shower. But it was using "WEP", a very old encryption policy which is vulnerable whenever you are transmitting data. So I fired up these same tools, found out that I was lucky -- he'd left a download running when he stepped into the shower or so -- and I captured a couple thousand data transactions. I didn't have to wait for him to finish showering before I had broken into my own Internet.

I'm always surprised by this sort of thing. The other day I had accidentally clobbered my sudo permission when reconfiguring Wireshark (something which can also listen to Internet traffic) to be more secure, and suddenly had no more root permissions. In about half an hour I had downloaded a live CD and burned it and broken into my own box with chroot magic to usurp root permissions to re-add myself to that group. (I have an encrypted disk, and I couldn't have done this without being able to decrypt it. However, most people that I know don't use disk encryption, so the point still stands.)

The lesson to take away: If some half-geek amateur like me can do these things, the professional inbreakers must have absolutely terrifying skills.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

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post #12

I'm looking forward to the day when I stay in a 100$/night hotel and I don't have to pay for my fricking internet. Every motel/hostel has it for free as it should. To me charging for internet (in hotels/resturatns) in 2012 is the same as charging for using the shower or lights.

Let me tell you a story.

A friend of a friend runs an independent midsize hotel here in Germany.

They used to offer free internet access. Then one of their guests used the connection to download copyrighted stuff.

In due course a nasty letter from a lawyer arrived, demanding payment of around 1000€ and as fighting and losing would have been much more expensive, they payed. They were unable to recover the money, because there was no way to prove which of their guests at that time was responsible.

The very next thing they did was to shut down the free internet and bring in an outside company to provide it (with per day and per hour fees for the guests).

The reasons:

1) By having someone else legally responsible for the internet connection, they don't have any liability for future copyright violations.

2) All guests are now "helping" to pay back the money they lost.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

#27
post #14

wouldn't it be cheaper to get a mobile router and a mobile flatrate for the country? Where I live 15€ would buy 1gb for a month. I have wondered about easily obtaining prepaid cards for travel, might be a business opportunity if there is no good solution yet?

If you know of any source of such SIM cards, please post it here!

I've seen plenty of international-travel SIM cards that give cheap[er] texts and voice calls, but none that include any data. And trying to set up a pre-pay data SIM from a foreign ISP in a language you don't speak/read is a nightmare ...

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

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Isn't this fraud and an open admission of guilty?

Disclaimer: IANAL, this is not legal advice.

The article mentions it is in the UK.

Relevant fraud statute appears to be this: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2

It looks like all the criteria for it to be fraud are met.

However, it also looks like legislation in the UK disallows (and renders void) concerted practices which may affect trade within the United Kingdom, and have as their effect the distortion of competition within the United Kingdom, applying, in particular to practices which apply dissimilar conditions to equivalent transactions with other trading parties, thereby placing them at a competitive disadvantage. See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/41/section/2

A concerted practice of charging the owners of well-known brands of smartphones less than the owners of less-known brands for an equivalent transaction would have the effect of lessening competition, because people might eschew a lesser known smartphone (increasing the barriers of entry to the smartphone market in the UK).

So there appears to be a good defence that price discrimination practices like this are illegal and void, and therefore circumventing it is not fraudulent.

Of course, out of an abundance of caution, I don't think it would be wise to volunteer to be a test case for this.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

#29
post #19

Ugh, a bit.ly link? Can someone change the URL to point to the actual address of the page? http://viktorpetersson.com/2011/09/25/how-to-get-50-discount... I love that people get up in arms about the change to google's privacy policy but have no trouble funneling traffic through bit.ly and other link shorteners...

I guess it gives the original sharer some feedback on the link otherwise they would never really know what interest it got? Looking at traffic I think the link was picked up off Twitter originally hence the URL shortener too.

Re: Save money on wifi using user agent switching

#30
post #12

I'm looking forward to the day when I stay in a 100$/night hotel and I don't have to pay for my fricking internet. Every motel/hostel has it for free as it should. To me charging for internet (in hotels/resturatns) in 2012 is the same as charging for using the shower or lights.

Let me tell you a story. A friend of a friend runs an independent midsize hotel here in Germany. They used to offer free internet access. Then one of their guests used the connection to download copyrighted stuff. In due course a nasty letter from a lawyer arrived, demanding payment of around 1000€ and as fighting and losing would have been much more expensive, they payed. They were unable to recover the money, becau…

I'm assuming there's some kind of protection for ISPs, or it'd be impossible to run one in Germany. Couldn't they apply to the same rules, since they're effectively an ISP?
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