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Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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post #12

So they want to align the AI with corporate goals. At least they're being honest here. I want a personal assistant to summarize a page, remove all advertising and do a fact check. Can we have that?

Sure, I'll sign a 1099 with you for $120.00/hr. Seriously, though, I hope that you realize that LLMs are incapable of "fact-checking", because they don't know what "facts" are.

I don’t know… the “desensationalize news” demo that was circulating on HN a few weeks ago was pretty impressive.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

#22
post #12

So they want to align the AI with corporate goals. At least they're being honest here. I want a personal assistant to summarize a page, remove all advertising and do a fact check. Can we have that?

Sure, I'll sign a 1099 with you for $120.00/hr. Seriously, though, I hope that you realize that LLMs are incapable of "fact-checking", because they don't know what "facts" are.

But you think humans (by and large) do know what "facts" are?

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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post #12

So they want to align the AI with corporate goals. At least they're being honest here. I want a personal assistant to summarize a page, remove all advertising and do a fact check. Can we have that?

Sure, I'll sign a 1099 with you for $120.00/hr. Seriously, though, I hope that you realize that LLMs are incapable of "fact-checking", because they don't know what "facts" are.

Are people known to be good at fact-checking?

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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All this song and dance to delay the inevitable death of "ad supported journalism" by a few more months. Can't wait for open source AI to catch up and watch all these "safeguards" crumble down. Although I have a sinking feeling that they'll be in cahoots with the congress by then, protecting us from all those unauthorized non-OpenAI-bot scariness.

If the ai doomers win then Nvidia will become nationalized and compute power will be heavily regulated, preventing any individual from having local ai.

That's a huge bit of stretch, US congress doesn't control the rest of the world. General US public will either be left behind or VPN subscriptions will rise.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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post #3

Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's sucky to see these tools constantly getting nerfed. I get that there are large questions out there about things like "browse with bing" but that's why I thought it was supposed to be a limited alpha preview. If OpenAI wants us to build workflows on their stack, they need to really crystalize and figure out what that stack is without changing the underlying stack every 5 minutes…

(not at all)OpenAI has a very short time window to monetize and/or lock in their product users.

Currently the biggest model one can feasibly run on a desktop pc with let's say a previous gen gpu, 32gb ram, 2x fast nvme drives is approximately 7B. Models comparable in performance to chatgpt are 45B and bigger. In theory it could be possible to run a model like this, but one would wait 5~10 minutes for every answer.

Now, consider that those models are going to get optimised and hardware will get better. In few years time you'll be able to run such model on your pc, in few more on your smartphone. What is (not at all)OpenAI going to do? They have to beat the AI safety drum as much as possible hoping they manage to curtail the democratisation of Access to big AIs via legal means.

At the same time due to a lack of proper software NVidia is the only game in town for anyone wanting too do inference at home and they're already applying monopoly-level profit margins (50%?) to their products.

When is the last time you saw a Google TPU for sale? Ive got my hands on their "edge" tpu. It's nice for things like Cctv object recognition and similar small tasks. I've managed to build a nice 1U Cctv server using it that consumes 30W on average. But I'd like the big version now.

I bet the moment alternative frameworks that have good optimisations for both nVidia and non nVidia hardware are starting to gain ground it will suddenly become a lot more difficult to purchase nVidia cards by normal people. They openly say it on their every keynote they want to "rent you everything".

This is the biggest battle (except actual physical wars against autocracies) that we have to win in next 50 years to retain our freedom we realistically have in democratic countries. If we allow intelligence (AI) to centralise and be subject to centralised control it'll be game over. The entire global society will be steered as a whole by one "prompt engineer".

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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    For example, if a user specifically asks for a
    URL's full text, it might inadvertently fulfill
    this request.
So this seems to imply two things:

1: Bing has access to text on websites which users don't. Probably because websites allow Bing to crawl their content but show a paywall to users?

2: The plugin has a different interface to Bing than what Bing offers via the web. Because on the web, you can't tell Bing to show the full text of the URL.

I have to contact my ISP. That's not the open web I subscribed to :) Until they fix it, I just keep reading HN. A website which works the way I like it.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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It's a curiously worded announcement as it basically says it's doing what it is supposed to.

If paywalls are being bypassed that implies what -

Inadequate authentication at the provider end?

Or perhaps these are "you get n free articles" types that have a more difficult task to counter automated access than those with no unregistered access?

Unethical crawl/access techniques being used by BWB that the OpenAI legal/PR team have only just realised? :)

To be fair, it should respect the terms but they need to work on their wording and clarity.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Interesting. I think a lot of AI agent internet navigation is still being figured out. Both rules as implied in comments but also tools. There are a lot of nuances OpenAI probably doesn't want to dedicate too many cycles or open up risk for.

Folks at Perplexity AI are doing a great job for general info AI charged browsing that's comparable to Bard. Our startup Promptloop has a web browser model targeted specifically at market research and business research. There are certainly many different ways to connect internet and model.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

#29
post #3

Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's sucky to see these tools constantly getting nerfed. I get that there are large questions out there about things like "browse with bing" but that's why I thought it was supposed to be a limited alpha preview. If OpenAI wants us to build workflows on their stack, they need to really crystalize and figure out what that stack is without changing the underlying stack every 5 minutes…

The constant quest for "safety" might actually be making our future much less safe. I've seen many instances of users needing to yell at, abuse, or manipulate ChatGPT to get the desired answers. This trains users to be hateful to / frustrated with AI, and if the data is used, it teaches AI that rewards come from such patterns. Wrote an article about this -- https://hackernoon.com/ai-restrictions-reinforce-abusive-use…

ChatGPT prompts don't train it.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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I haven't tried the CoPilot for Office or whatever it's called, but even though I am certain that MS has applied "an abundance of caution" to their implementation, there is simply no way I would unleash an LLM on all of my data (and possibly allow it to do things as well), at least not at this point in time.

We're in the 90's in terms of LLM security, using plain-text passwords and string interpolation for our SQL.

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