Writing from a German startup right now, I can't quite follow the author here. Granted - German copycats and especially the Samwer Brothers have brought some bad feelings into the community... but Berlin is getting better and bolder every day. It's basically almost all the goodness from Silicon Valley, but without the hype and craze. It's a friendly, crazy and green city with great work ethics - you don't live for wo…
There are no corporate politics in Germany? That's pretty awesome. In all seriousness though, you're cherry picking some of the bad stuff about the US. I'm sure if you wanted, you could do the same thing about Germany or anywhere else. For instance: the weather, the lack of anything remotely resembling a mountain near Berlin, and, most importantly, the lack of good Mexican food.
Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
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Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps I've been conditioned by living in Europe, but my definition of "not far" means I can ride my bike to it! Kebabs are great (we have them here too in Italy), but sorry, I'll take good Mexican food any day:-)
The kebabs are something else in Berlin. Much more like a Taco than those greasy things you see elsewhere in the world.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#23Many people mention mindset and cultural attitude in the comments. To me "mindset and culture" are just symtoms. The reason is very simple:
The markets in europe (compared to the US) have: Same downside. Smaller upside.
This leads to less risk friendly and safer (slower) patterns and systems. Incorporated over centuries this leads to cultural attitude and mindset.
It's not that this is the best attitude for doing startups. But it is a (market) selected attitude for doing business within these markets. The best ways to break this: Minimize your downside (skip problem-solution phase by copycating) or don't be limit to the market (by far harder due to media (and ultimately network) bubbles).
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#241. Start-Ups are lacking incentives:
Germans are obsessed with evaluating risks and will almost always go for the safe bet, rather the risky way. Its somehow ingrained in our culture. So the college grad has two options: 1- Land a safe job in the industry (eg. automotive), company benefits maybe even a company car. Thanks to relatively good job security and the good state of the economy you can probably work there for a long time, maybe not the highest income but good for suburban life + 2 spain vacations a year. 2 - You have that Idea. But there is a high chance you will fail. You will have to spend alot of time learning company laws, tax problems, etc. And while there is a chance that you can be a wealthy man while building you dream product. You will spend most of your time thinking about failure (even if you dont even have wife and kids to support). - By the time I finished building product x (and then probably fail), I will have reached a higher position and a company car a bigcorp - why bother the risk. Also talent acquisitions are rarely head of, we don't have Google or Apple who will aquire a small media/tech company for the people. Big money is in other industries that have a higher barrier of entry than web-startups.
2. Germans don't get the valley VC investment strategies:
Throwing millions of $'s on company's that dont have a business plan, just because it may be the next google/facebook/...? Considering failure as the norm, just because one of 100 company's you fund will go public. Germanys company culture is built around long time growth and substitutability. Big companys like Bosch ( €51billion revenue, 300k employees) are family owned (and 92% goes into a charity). Try to explain your SV funding business model to a german business person and he will shake his head and dont even try to get a bank loan.
3. Lack of entrepreneur networks:
SV is described in the way of "you can bump into a VC guy in a coffee shop and pitch him on your idea". Everyone know everyone, several events, money everywhere. I am not 100% up to date with the berlin scene but I dont think it is quite there. Although universities try to built networks and encourage students to start a company its nowhere near the possibilities of SV
4. Perfection mentality
Also known as "Ingenieurs-Mentalität". Its also a cultural thing I guess, especially at technical institutes / universities. If it isnt perfect you dont even think about bothering someone else with it. Never ship something that is half baked.
That said I consider myself an entrepreneurial person but also struggle with those points. (Like most people on HN, I guess) I have a long list of ideas. I sometimes start to build but stop when I realize how long the way to perfection will be. I set myself a goal for this year to complete one project and release it just for the heck of it. I will report when I reach this goal.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#25Writing from a German startup right now, I can't quite follow the author here. Granted - German copycats and especially the Samwer Brothers have brought some bad feelings into the community... but Berlin is getting better and bolder every day. It's basically almost all the goodness from Silicon Valley, but without the hype and craze. It's a friendly, crazy and green city with great work ethics - you don't live for wo…
There are no corporate politics in Germany? That's pretty awesome. In all seriousness though, you're cherry picking some of the bad stuff about the US. I'm sure if you wanted, you could do the same thing about Germany or anywhere else. For instance: the weather, the lack of anything remotely resembling a mountain near Berlin, and, most importantly, the lack of good Mexican food.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
The kebabs are something else in Berlin. Much more like a Taco than those greasy things you see elsewhere in the world.
Greesy kebabs with a lot of sauce 'spicy, mild or mix?' are a European invention I think. I've been to a few middle-eastern countries including Turkey and haven't seen sauce in kebab ever (still they give sauce in Berlin).
(Yes, including the sauce!)
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#27"People in SV are not afraid to fail. In fact, having failed before is considered a great quality. If you haven’t failed, you’re either inexperienced or suspicious. Startups try, fail, try again, pivot, fail and try again." I think aside from maybe regulation, this is the biggest issue that Germany has and it's also the same one that Japan faces. The fear of failure and losing face. I'm not even sure that you can cha…
In the UK, if you fail, its pretty much game over. You get black listed and pretty much, that's the end of it. If you fail and go bankrupt, then set up again, you are almost seen as a fraudulent criminal. In the US, it seems to me that you can try and fail as much as you like, as long as you keep trying and don't get criminal. Trying seems to be enough to get some level of respect. It is absolutely one of the things…
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#28I participated in a German Government startup program in 2004/2005 called EXIST-SEED (nowadays called EXIST Gründerstipendium). I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. The funding I got was relatively modest (35 kEUR in my case -- as a consultant I now earn more than that within 4 months) and I was drowned in bureaucracy. To this very day, I am arguing with the German IRS because they do not want to treat a failed startup as a business and thus refuse to deduct the expenses I had. I literally ended up spending more time with bureaucracy than doing real work.
If you compare the modest startup funding provided by the federal government to the amount spent on the German cash-for-clunkers program in 2009 ("Abwrackprämie"), which was 5 billion Euro, you get an idea what the government's priorities really are: Firstly big (automotive) corporations, then a lot of nothing, then the Mittelstand, again a lot of nothing, and then as an also-ran the startup scene.
You're ultimately fighting an uphill battle as a founder in Germany: A tiny private VC scene, meager support from the government and a mind-boggling bureaucracy.
I don't see this changing so I drew the frustrating conclusion to become a consultant fleecing fucking big corps.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#29I am a German engineering student. I will try to describe the situation as I see it from here. 1. Start-Ups are lacking incentives: Germans are obsessed with evaluating risks and will almost always go for the safe bet, rather the risky way. Its somehow ingrained in our culture. So the college grad has two options: 1- Land a safe job in the industry (eg. automotive), company benefits maybe even a company car. Thanks t…
However for the German (US, etc) economy, having a start-up culture is valuable. That's where the future technologies are incubated and future companies formed.
I suspect most people in the US who choose start ups and entrepreneurialism do so because of US culture and because they wilfully ignore the personal risk.
So how does the German government overcome that?
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#30Tell HN: I participated in a German Government startup program in 2004/2005 called EXIST-SEED (nowadays called EXIST Gründerstipendium). I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. The funding I got was relatively modest (35 kEUR in my case -- as a consultant I now earn more than that within 4 months) and I was drowned in bureaucracy. To this very day, I am arguing with the German IRS because they do not want to treat a fai…