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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by bschne »

> A problem with the system of having a domain as a username is that people can claim it who don’t have access to that username. For example, someone was able to get the AWS S3 domain as their handle!

That isn't necessarily an issue with using a domain as a username, it was only possible because you could verify ownership by putting something in a subdirectory they defined which was available as an S3 bucket name (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35820815). If you allow verification only from the root directory or via DNS records this shouldn't be a problem AFAICT.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by threeseed »

Meanwhile, Meta Threads is on track to launch shortly [1].

Which is based on an open-standard, interoperates with Mastodon and is from a company that has the battle scars to prove that they can operate a global service in a mature and a reasonable way.

Given Jack Dorsey's support of the crazier positions of Elon Musk and RFK e.g. WiFi causes leaky brain it really does look like the best of a bad bunch.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/1/23781271/instagram-threads...

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by tsimionescu »

mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

> I think more and more people are getting fed up with centralized platforms / not owning their data.

Given the meteoric rise of TikTok, I don't think there is any sign of this being true outside a small techy bubble. At least, not as a percentage (that is, the growth in the number of people who are fed up with centralized platforms is dwarfed by the growth in the number of people who are fine with centralized platforms / not owning their data).

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by redsolver »

reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, for one you can download all data on the network (posts, likes, follows, ...) using a free public API, even in real-time. If you want to try Bluesky without an invite code, you can run your own PDS (personal data server) today and federate with the official sandbox network, there are already 100 servers doing that: https://atscan.net/pds

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by voytec »

Launching federatable(?) protocol and platform as non-federated, centralized one doesn't spawn confidence in me. The limited registration policy appears to be fueling the desire and excitement by creating a sense of exclusivity that amplifies the demand and anticipation. Reminds me of South Park's "Cartmanland" episode[1].

There's also the fact that Bluesky is run by Jack, who founded and managed pre-Musk Twitter "1.0" and funded Musk's Twitter "2.0". I don't have high expectations nor hopes.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEJWL49D30A

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by threeseed »

mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

The only people who want to run their own servers are those who haven't yet experienced the myriad of issues and risks associated with them.

Not only do you have to keep it running at your expense but you need to invest significant time in moderating the content. Lest you allow illegal content e.g. CP to be hosted for which you will be legally responsible.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by redsolver »

sneak wrote: post #5

Right now everyone on Bluesky is on centralized instances run by the devs, and are subject to widespread censorship by same. I know of no way at this time to run one's own instance or federate.

You can run your own instance in the official sandbox network today: https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox

There are of course significantly less users compared to the main instance, but it should give you some confidence that federation dev work is on the right track.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Hamuko »

I still don't understand the point of ActivityPub. Everyone one wants every social media, blog, news site to implement it. Why? RSS already exists to aggregate all of those into a single place. And having interacted with infosec.exchange, I came to the conclusion that long-form content doesn't mix well with microblogging and that Mastodon is a shit interface for it. I have a completely different software for my RSS feeds with a completely different way of browsing through content that works well for it.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by codetrotter »

fullqwerty wrote: post #16
dorianmariefr wrote: post #2

Thanks for sharing. I think Bluesky is pretty interesting (got my invite from Twitter :) )

I someone has an invite, I'd love to explore it!

Do you guys remember when Gmail was in private beta, back when it launched, and you needed an invite?

I got my invite from a website where people shared their invite links. After creating an account, and using it for a while I also got the ability to share invites with like 10 people or something.

I don’t even know if doing that kind of thing would work today though, given how many spammers and such trawl the internet. Probably some small number of people would grab every invite for themselves, instead of taking only one invite each.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by codetrotter »

threeseed wrote: post #26
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

The only people who want to run their own servers are those who haven't yet experienced the myriad of issues and risks associated with them. Not only do you have to keep it running at your expense but you need to invest significant time in moderating the content. Lest you allow illegal content e.g. CP to be hosted for which you will be legally responsible.

I think the original comment meant running a server for themselves, not necessarily allowing anyone else to create accounts on their servers.

That way you don’t need to moderate.

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