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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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A tangential question...but does anyone know what software is used to generate legal documents that look like the PDF linked in the article? I’ve played with LaTeX templates a bit, but I seriously doubt law firms are futzing around with LaTeX for documents as complex as this. They must have some software that produces this formatting.

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Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

Scraping is a bit of a legal gray area though. If you were to go scrape 300 billion words from the Internet, you probably would be committing a crime somewhere. Especially if you then reproduced some of those words verbatim for paying customers as ChatGPT does...

I am sure OpenAI thought all this through, so I can only assume they said "fuck it let's pull an Uber and do this anyway." We are in for lots of interesting legal headlines

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

> and recite copyrighted works all I want

...wait, isn't that false? legitimately asking.

or is it because it was done by a corporation that makes it illegal?

im thinking of how restaurants dont sing happy birthday and fair use restrictions etc

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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When this happened to Stable Diffusion, it was easy for me to consider it a necessary evil to progress humanity. When this happens to closedAI, it just seems like a profit grab. Not that it changes the legality of it. Just optics. Wonder if that matters in court.

First they came for the graphics artists, but I did not speak out because I was not a graphics artist. Then they came for the writers, but I did not speak out because I was not a writer. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me... well, except ChatGPT.

I did not speak out because copyright is farcical nonsense that fetishizes the profit motive at the expense of humanity.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

I don’t get your point. Whether you use copyrighted material in commercial context or not always matters. That’s one of the most important aspects of different open source licenses.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

Isn't that because a performance is different from the creation of a permanent copy? If you published an article and included a significant chunk of the copyrighted work, you'd be liable too unless it fell under fair use. Doesn't matter if you did it or ChatGpt. Commercial use would be one consideration, but not the only one, for both of you.

The rules of games cannot be copyrighted either. The artistic elements can be trademarked, but if ChatGpt merely explains the rules to you in different ways, that isn't infringement either.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

Hard to understand how someone can read the word 'sued' and think it has anything to do with criminal law.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

Not how copyright works.

Being non-commercial is not an automatic fair use exception. Being commercial does not preclude fair use. And rule concepts are not copyrightable, only the specific expression. Rules may have other IP protection, including patents.

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