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Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by breily »

wizlb wrote: post #14
donw wrote: post #3

Um, if you were happy with Windows before, why did you switch in the first place? One of the biggest things that keeps me from using a Windows machine, is the lack of a proper shell. One that exists as a first-class citizen, and not as some bastard add-on hack. Cygwin really doesn't cut it for me, and the only other real option is to run VMWare, at which point I might as well run Ubuntu.

What do you need a terminal for in Windows? I'm not being snarky, it's a serious question. I'm a programmer, but I use Visual Studio 2008 and I rarely have to touch a command line to do anything that I need to do...

I've never done any serious development on Windows, but I'd imagine you need/want a shell for the same reasons you'd use one on a unix system - using vim, scripting, an array of useful programs (e.g. whatever the Windows version of grep is), etc.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by Oompa »

dfarm wrote: post #9
Oompa wrote: post #2

No cygwin or anything, but you use the terminal "a lot?" I think I'd kill myself without a proper shell…

If you're stuck in windows like I am at work you really need to try MS Powershell. It works great. I'm just as comfortable with it as I am with bash at home. It's object based scripting is quite cool also; you can do COM automation in a very simple manner. I do traditionally file maintenance stuff and more slick MS Office automation with Powershell. Totally recommend it if you have to use Windows.

I've heard of the product, but never anyone saying if it's good or bad, thus I never messed with it. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by Flemlord »

Interesting Dell Tip: Don't ever buy a computer straight off of Dell's web site. Set up a corporate account--our account rep always gets us 20-30% off of the list price on their web site.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by tapostrophemo »

Oompa wrote: post #2

No cygwin or anything, but you use the terminal "a lot?" I think I'd kill myself without a proper shell…

It's not so bad...plus, you can always do what a Real Man (tm) would do - imlement all the missing shell commands as Perl scripts.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by Brushfire »

Although I cant say I fully agree with his use of eclipse europa and rad rails, I would tend to agree. Ive been more annoyed by macs than I have windows recently.

Although, Git support and proper shells are valid problems with windows. Powershell helps, but the git people really need to get a valid, working, non retarded git client for windows. Like Tortoise SVN which is freaking awesome.

Until then, windows will be an inferior development platform for anyone doing ROR stuff.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by wizlb »

breily wrote: post #21
wizlb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you need a terminal for in Windows? I'm not being snarky, it's a serious question. I'm a programmer, but I use Visual Studio 2008 and I rarely have to touch a command line to do anything that I need to do...

I've never done any serious development on Windows, but I'd imagine you need/want a shell for the same reasons you'd use one on a unix system - using vim, scripting, an array of useful programs (e.g. whatever the Windows version of grep is), etc.

I've been programming on Windows for about 10 years and I can honestly say that I simply don't have to use a terminal outside of running the occasional command. For automation I use AutoHotKey or AutoIt. For searching text in files I usually use a program like Notepad++ or UltrEdit. YMMV of course, not everyone's the same.

I guess the reason is that I can usually find a GUI program to do whatever it is that I want.

I use Linux all the time too (I've built Asterisk boxes, LAMP servers, firewalls, etc. at work and at home), but I think the culture is just different, so it's natural to use the terminal for many things on *nix.

Actually I do use the Windows terminal a LOT (the Run box actually) for one-off things like "net start/stop some-service", "services.msc" or "ipconfig /all", something like that.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by [deleted] »

breily wrote: post #21
wizlb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you need a terminal for in Windows? I'm not being snarky, it's a serious question. I'm a programmer, but I use Visual Studio 2008 and I rarely have to touch a command line to do anything that I need to do...

I've never done any serious development on Windows, but I'd imagine you need/want a shell for the same reasons you'd use one on a unix system - using vim, scripting, an array of useful programs (e.g. whatever the Windows version of grep is), etc.

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Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by davidw »

Flemlord wrote: post #23

Interesting Dell Tip: Don't ever buy a computer straight off of Dell's web site. Set up a corporate account--our account rep always gets us 20-30% off of the list price on their web site.

You can search for discount codes too.

Re: How I Use My Dell

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Post by josefresco »

davidw wrote: post #29
Flemlord wrote: post #23

Interesting Dell Tip: Don't ever buy a computer straight off of Dell's web site. Set up a corporate account--our account rep always gets us 20-30% off of the list price on their web site.

You can search for discount codes too.

Yeah if you're not getting at least $200-400 off the list price with a coupon you're getting screwed. Even big box stores can undercut Dell prices w/coupons. I used to think Dell would always have the lowest price until I found that stores like Best Buy can undercut even direct sales from online.
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