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Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by kitsunesoba »

westernpopular wrote: post #13
develatio wrote: post #11

But why not just use the browser's dev tools? Both Android and iOS support connecting a phone to a computer and debugging using the browser's native tools.

What if you're on the go and only have a phone available? I reckon this is intended for quick experiments, not in depth debugging.

Yeah that makes the most sense to me. I could see a full blown desktop style inspector being useful on a 11”+ tablet (which is really just a laptop sans keyboard) but it’d be too frustrating for extended usage on anything smaller.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by semiquaver »

tantalor wrote: post #3
avodonosov wrote: post #2

How to use it for a different web site?

In order to try it for different sites, execute the script below on browser address bar. javascript:(function () { var script = document.createElement('script'); script.src="//cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/eruda"; document.body.appendChild(script); script.onload = function () { eruda.init() } })();

Unfortunately javascript URIs don’t work from the address bar in many browsers like mobile Safari, probably to prevent attacks. At least for safari you need to create a bookmarklet with that content and execute it by “visiting” the bookmark.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by avodonosov »

tantalor wrote: post #3
avodonosov wrote: post #2

How to use it for a different web site?

In order to try it for different sites, execute the script below on browser address bar. javascript:(function () { var script = document.createElement('script'); script.src="//cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/eruda"; document.body.appendChild(script); script.onload = function () { eruda.init() } })();

Chrome on Android just tries to search for that text

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

tantalor wrote: post #3
avodonosov wrote: post #2

How to use it for a different web site?

In order to try it for different sites, execute the script below on browser address bar. javascript:(function () { var script = document.createElement('script'); script.src="//cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/eruda"; document.body.appendChild(script); script.onload = function () { eruda.init() } })();

This doesn't seem to work in any mobile browser. Are there more specific instructions for Android Firefox?

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by Mr_Modulo »

Fej wrote: post #12
Mr_Modulo wrote: post #8

Another option to get a JavaScript console on Android is use Kiwi Browser[1] Kiwi allows access to the full Chromium JavaScript console that you can open in a new tab. Kiwi also allows usage of Chromium extensions. I wanted full ad blocking but Kiwi only had rudimentary ad blocking that was disabled by default. No problem, I installed uBlock Origin! [1]: https://kiwibrowser.com/

This is really cool, thanks for pointing it out! I have used Eruda and keep it in Tampermonkey in Firefox for use in a pinch but it's hacky. It's impressive that it works at all, but it's very difficult to do any actual work. I already had Kiwi installed and it's neat to pop it open and see this feature hiding in plain sight. I can definitely see myself using it regularly, although I won't use it as a daily driver si…

That is pretty sketchy. Thanks for pointing that out! I've started using Kiwi as my main mobile browser after I got fed up with some issues I was having with Brave.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by mardifoufs »

Fej wrote: post #12
Mr_Modulo wrote: post #8

Another option to get a JavaScript console on Android is use Kiwi Browser[1] Kiwi allows access to the full Chromium JavaScript console that you can open in a new tab. Kiwi also allows usage of Chromium extensions. I wanted full ad blocking but Kiwi only had rudimentary ad blocking that was disabled by default. No problem, I installed uBlock Origin! [1]: https://kiwibrowser.com/

This is really cool, thanks for pointing it out! I have used Eruda and keep it in Tampermonkey in Firefox for use in a pinch but it's hacky. It's impressive that it works at all, but it's very difficult to do any actual work. I already had Kiwi installed and it's neat to pop it open and see this feature hiding in plain sight. I can definitely see myself using it regularly, although I won't use it as a daily driver si…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they walked back on that? And I think the source code repo is now : https://github.com/kiwibrowser/src.next ? Maybe that's just the chromium rebase repo though.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by _njyk »

Fej wrote: post #12
Mr_Modulo wrote: post #8

Another option to get a JavaScript console on Android is use Kiwi Browser[1] Kiwi allows access to the full Chromium JavaScript console that you can open in a new tab. Kiwi also allows usage of Chromium extensions. I wanted full ad blocking but Kiwi only had rudimentary ad blocking that was disabled by default. No problem, I installed uBlock Origin! [1]: https://kiwibrowser.com/

This is really cool, thanks for pointing it out! I have used Eruda and keep it in Tampermonkey in Firefox for use in a pinch but it's hacky. It's impressive that it works at all, but it's very difficult to do any actual work. I already had Kiwi installed and it's neat to pop it open and see this feature hiding in plain sight. I can definitely see myself using it regularly, although I won't use it as a daily driver si…

I’ll do a change in Kiwi edition 116 to make it selectable in the UI (it’s almost a full rewrite of Kiwi and it will go out in about 10 days).

Most likely to add a setting to make it optional.

The main issue we had was with search partners, if we allow adblocking by default, then search engines still pay for the request, and this means… we pay. And by we, I mean “I” pay :)

One solution that some competitors found is to integrate Adblock Plus (when you develop a browser they pay you for that) or AdGuard and let them do the whitelist (so in appearance the blame is on them, but I am fine to take the blame myself).

Some browsers don’t allow external adblockers so they don’t have this issue at all; you can’t block their ads anyway (not 100% sure but I think Google, DuckDuckGo, Brave, etc are like this).

Yandex who was the pioneer of Chromium extensions on mobile (before Kiwi) has similar mechanisms, except they fully block the extension, instead of whitelisting it on certain URLs.

It’s currently possible to go around the whitelist, just by loading manually an extension.

And yes it’s logic that Google Chrome doesn’t block Google search ads by default unless you load a workaround.

The same that Kiwi doesn’t block Microsoft search ads when our main funding is Microsoft Bing, and to be fair, getting funded by search is the cleanest business model a browser can have.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by _njyk »

Mr_Modulo wrote: post #25
Fej wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really cool, thanks for pointing it out! I have used Eruda and keep it in Tampermonkey in Firefox for use in a pinch but it's hacky. It's impressive that it works at all, but it's very difficult to do any actual work. I already had Kiwi installed and it's neat to pop it open and see this feature hiding in plain sight. I can definitely see myself using it regularly, although I won't use it as a daily driver si…

That is pretty sketchy. Thanks for pointing that out! I've started using Kiwi as my main mobile browser after I got fed up with some issues I was having with Brave.

If you are really really in a rare situation where you want to use Bing and block Bing search ads:

kiwi://extensions

Press: + (from zip)

Load uBlock Origin

Finished.

Not that dramatic + auto-update works.

It would be sketchy to offer an out-of-the-box experience that blocks the search pages of Microsoft and Yahoo (they pay us).

Remember the fact that if a browser has an established and visible business model is way better than a browser where you don’t know how they make money.

With Kiwi, if you use Bing or Yahoo, Microsoft and Yahoo share with us the costs and the revenues (both ways).

Simple model and no need to sell crypto, fake VPNs, user history or whatever some others do.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

Mr_Modulo wrote: post #8

Another option to get a JavaScript console on Android is use Kiwi Browser[1] Kiwi allows access to the full Chromium JavaScript console that you can open in a new tab. Kiwi also allows usage of Chromium extensions. I wanted full ad blocking but Kiwi only had rudimentary ad blocking that was disabled by default. No problem, I installed uBlock Origin! [1]: https://kiwibrowser.com/

It states "Unparalled Speed", and testimonies say it's much faster than safari.

Since on iOS any browser must use Apple's engine anyway and can only provide a thin layer on top of it, how does that happen?

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