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Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by losvedir »

kneebonian wrote: post #13
m_0x wrote: post #5

Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?

Theres an avid discussion on the other thread about this, but the short answer is likely yes. They were probably crushed, incinerated and then bludgeoned to death in less than 3ms, and probably unconscious before they were aware of any of the rest of it.

While the physical trauma would have been instantaneous, they might have known it was going to happen. James Cameron just said in an interview[0] that they had a sensor system inside which detects when the hull is starting to fail, and that they probably had warning because they had dropped their weights to ascend.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xg

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by edgineer »

psychphysic wrote: post #3

Well heck I just argued with a bunch of people, who said the USN knew but would never tell anyone and me saying it's a baseless claim. I guess we were both wrong.

Well, we've had US intelligence, and specifically SOSUS, make its way to the public before, like with [0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by neodymiumphish »

EA-3167 wrote: post #15
yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

Remember we now KNOW for sure that the sub imploded, given the debris field, which means a sound loud enough to be picked up was generated. The Navy staying schtum on this does no one any good. It's also possible that someone in the political leadership overrode the preferences of people concerned about intelligence, but in this case I suspect that it's just pointless to deny it, so why not leak it now when it's goin…

They informed the incident commander. The people who needed to know did, and the public remained in the dark. While it may dishearten some, it was probably the right call.

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Post by noah_buddy »

cjensen wrote: post #18
vaidhy wrote: post #9

So, we spent all the time and money confirming what USN already knew?

You can't "know" with 100% certainty from a sound, and generally searchers don't give up until they must.

This reminds me of a thorough and depressing write up of the lost hikers in a south western desert. An experienced search and rescue guy spent years finding where they perished, navigating bureaucracy and the arid landscape even though the victims were certainly deceased.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by irrational »

kneebonian wrote: post #13
m_0x wrote: post #5

Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?

Theres an avid discussion on the other thread about this, but the short answer is likely yes. They were probably crushed, incinerated and then bludgeoned to death in less than 3ms, and probably unconscious before they were aware of any of the rest of it.

Incinerated? Where did the fire come from?

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by dekhn »

kneebonian wrote: post #8

For those who doubted this... one of the main components of a strategic nuclear arm is submarines, even more than ICBMs to an extant, a nuclear strike might be able to wipe out all your launch facilities, but it isn't going to take out your subs, which are going to be around for a 2nd strike. Because of that being able to detect anything in the ocean anywhere within a reasonable distance of your coastal regions is a…

One might say that subs are the only truly strategic component of nuclear arms.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by ALittleLight »

stochtastic wrote: post #16
yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…

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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by BrianHenryIE »

kevin_nisbet wrote: post #20

While I'm sure the details are top secret, I think the existence of the monitoring has be known for quite some time. As I recall, a submarine disappeared much further away than the titanic wreck, much closer to Spain, and the recordings were eventually used to prove it was a collision of submarines or something like that. And rule out that the submarine was attacked by a torpedo. So I haven't been following this stor…

There was an Argentinian one, 2017.

> The information about the possible explosion was received on Thursday from the Comprehensive Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty Organization, or CTBTO, an international body that runs a global network of listening posts designed to check for secret atomic blasts.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-submarine-fligh...

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by dazilcher »

ALittleLight wrote: post #28
stochtastic wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…

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Certainty.
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