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San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in case of an emergency the doors of the car should get unlocked and someone nearby should overtake

I feel like you could have some sort of standard handle on the front of a robotaxi to lead it around.

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Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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It’s absolutely insane that automated driving is allowed on public streets.

It should be completely banned until such time as there exists a comprehensive testing regime for validating that the automated system functions in all the scenarios it might be expected to face including emergency vehicles, construction, pedestrians, bad weather, and damaged sensors.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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It appears these robotaxis need an emergency button similar to the ones on industrial robots. But instead of completely stopping, a remote operator immediately takes over and bugs out. Meanwhile, the AI can take a backseat and observe how to respond in a situation like this. Because obviously they don't have enough training when dealing with emergency situations.

The closest I've come to this scenario is playing games (eg CSGO) where you can take over a bot. So often, I take over a bot (without spectating their play first) and immediately die because I have no context for their situation and they're about to be shot at; in many of those situations I feel there bot would have done better than I did.

This makes me feel a human operator probably would be no good at taking control ... however a computer that has access to more data (eg data from other vehicles), or that has more control (of other vehicles, of traffic lights, of pedestrian crossings, etc.) or more capabilities, might be far more successful than a person?!

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

#26
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the US legal system as part of a solution. If a robo-taxi causes material harm, sue the operator for some multiple of the cost of the harm.

I suppose the drawback to this strategy is that real harm has to happen first and that could easily involve loss of life or limb, but perhaps the threat of that would be enough to motivate the robo-taxi providers to fix the problem.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

#27

Most countries have penalty points on driving license. If some driver is violating traffic rules too often, they should lose driving license! Self driving cars should not have an exception!

are you suggesting this on a per car basis, or all cars working off of the same point system? accruing enough points to unlock "suspended license" achievement would seem appropriate to be applied to the entire fleet since it's the same "AI".

Do points get deducted or erased when the AI upgrades version? If the AI uses semver, how many points off for a major revision release?

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

#28

Most countries have penalty points on driving license. If some driver is violating traffic rules too often, they should lose driving license! Self driving cars should not have an exception!

are you suggesting this on a per car basis, or all cars working off of the same point system? accruing enough points to unlock "suspended license" achievement would seem appropriate to be applied to the entire fleet since it's the same "AI".

Per driving license. It already works like that with truck driver and other professional drivers. They may have 5x more accidents than normal person, but they drive 20x more miles.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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post #3

A family member was a NY fire fighter many years ago. The Soviets had a lot of people at the UN, and they had diplomatic plates. They would park wherever they wanted, often blocking things. There was nothing the police could do. The fire chief decided to have fire drills. Whenever a cop saw a car with diplomatic plates parked in front of a hydrant, they would call the fire department, who would come out and perform a…

One of the challenges with this is that often city/urban fire engines have front bumper discharge lines so that hose can be hooked up to the front of the engine, not just the sides (this is done to improve access options - 1 3/4" hose is fairly flexible, but when you get to 2 1/2" lines or 3"+ supply lines, they need space, and are not overly flexible.)

See: https://firematic.com/trucksnew/levittown19/2.jpg - 1 3/4" attack line on the right with plumbing, and 5" LDH (large diameter hose) supply line on the left.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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post #2

It appears these robotaxis need an emergency button similar to the ones on industrial robots. But instead of completely stopping, a remote operator immediately takes over and bugs out. Meanwhile, the AI can take a backseat and observe how to respond in a situation like this. Because obviously they don't have enough training when dealing with emergency situations.

That is not an adequate solution. During major public safety incidents, cellular data networks frequently go down or at least suffer from serious lag.
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