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Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by lm28469 »

blodkorv wrote: post #19

I really dont see how soybean oil in by itself causes obesity as is stated in the article. If you don exceed your daily caloric intace then you wont gain weight no matter what kind of oil you eat.

Probably that part:

> potentially impacting energy metabolism

CICO is mostly true if you already have a balanced diet, if you eat 2000kcal of ultra processed food you'll have side effects you wouldn't have with a cleaner diet. The body is a fine tuned machine, it doesn't process 100kcal of sugar the same way it processed 100kcal of broccoli

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Post by yetihehe »

blodkorv wrote: post #19

I really dont see how soybean oil in by itself causes obesity as is stated in the article. If you don exceed your daily caloric intace then you wont gain weight no matter what kind of oil you eat.

Some foods can cause your satiety system to go bad and you then feel hungry and consume more food. Not everyone counts calories and says "oh, I've eaten too much today, better stop", some people (like me) actually feel real pain when they are hungry and going hungry lowers you willpower which you need to keep not eating and inflict pain on yourself.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by moi2388 »

lm28469 wrote: post #21
blodkorv wrote: post #19

I really dont see how soybean oil in by itself causes obesity as is stated in the article. If you don exceed your daily caloric intace then you wont gain weight no matter what kind of oil you eat.

Probably that part: > potentially impacting energy metabolism CICO is mostly true if you already have a balanced diet, if you eat 2000kcal of ultra processed food you'll have side effects you wouldn't have with a cleaner diet. The body is a fine tuned machine, it doesn't process 100kcal of sugar the same way it processed 100kcal of broccoli

Whilst that is true, in neither case will it extract the full kcal, since that was calculated by completely burning the food (in a calorimeter). If you burn more than 100kcal you will not gain weight no matter what. You might still get fatter, but your total mass cannot increase if you burn more calories than you consume unless you violate conservation of energy.

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Post by sfjailbird »

coder4life wrote: post #15
pleb_nz wrote: post #11

Im not sure about where Soy oil fits in, but there seems to be growing evidence that oils made from seeds, often called vegetable oils, are in fact quite bad for you especially when used for cooking.

Walnut, almond, sunflower oil are not bad for you. They're expensive. Vegetable oil as you know it and it's sold is soybean oil. Maybe another cheap oilseed like canola or corn, but that's it because it's cheap.

Sunflower oil is in the same category as soybean and canola oil, industrially extracted from seeds and consisting of the type of omega-6 that in any but the most miniscule amounts are harmful in a number of ways, and a poor source of metabolic energy to boot.

Walnut, almond, etc., are good for us, but in small amounts, and don't keep well or withstand heat, all of which make them unsuitable for cooking.

We need to go back to saturated and monounsaturated fats, they are fine, and not actively harmful like the garbage waste products that are 'vegetable oils'.

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Post by sfjailbird »

nimbleal wrote: post #16
pleb_nz wrote: post #11

Im not sure about where Soy oil fits in, but there seems to be growing evidence that oils made from seeds, often called vegetable oils, are in fact quite bad for you especially when used for cooking.

I hear this a lot but have never seen anything other than hypothetical mechanisms. I’d be interested to see actual evidence, if there’s any you can share. I’m cautious here because it’s the kind of thing that plays to my own bias.

There is a lot of evidence but at the very least, it is accepted that these omega-6 oils are pro-inflammatory.

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Post by ArunRaja »

pleb_nz wrote: post #11

Im not sure about where Soy oil fits in, but there seems to be growing evidence that oils made from seeds, often called vegetable oils, are in fact quite bad for you especially when used for cooking.

Oils made from :

seeds- gingelly oil, groundnut oil, sunflower oil, coconut oil, rice bran oil.

Fruit- olive oil, Palmoline oil

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Post by Blahah »

ArunRaja wrote: post #26
pleb_nz wrote: post #11

Im not sure about where Soy oil fits in, but there seems to be growing evidence that oils made from seeds, often called vegetable oils, are in fact quite bad for you especially when used for cooking.

Oils made from : seeds- gingelly oil, groundnut oil, sunflower oil, coconut oil, rice bran oil. Fruit- olive oil, Palmoline oil

Sunflower oil is made from sunflower seeds, not the whole flower.

Coconut oil is made from the 'flesh', which is the solid endosperm, which is part of the seed.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by sfjailbird »

uejfiweun wrote: post #13

Why is it that it's only sketchy websites like this that report on soybean oil and other seed oils? Surely if it were such a big deal, reputable news outlets would have picked up the story, no? What's going on here? Is the whole thing bullshit? Or is big seed oil covering it up?

I think you are out of the loop. You say 'big seed oil' like it's a joke, but that's certainly a thing and a major lobby. There's a reason margerine was promoted as the healthy choice for decades (without 'reputable news sources' picking up on that it is, in fact, poison, and now illegal in most countries).

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Post by rcme »

ArunRaja wrote: post #26
pleb_nz wrote: post #11

Im not sure about where Soy oil fits in, but there seems to be growing evidence that oils made from seeds, often called vegetable oils, are in fact quite bad for you especially when used for cooking.

Oils made from : seeds- gingelly oil, groundnut oil, sunflower oil, coconut oil, rice bran oil. Fruit- olive oil, Palmoline oil

Avocado oil is also made from the fruit not the seed.

Re: Soybean oil decreases oxytocin levels in hypothalamus in mice (2020)

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Post by birdyrooster »

sfjailbird wrote: post #28
uejfiweun wrote: post #13

Why is it that it's only sketchy websites like this that report on soybean oil and other seed oils? Surely if it were such a big deal, reputable news outlets would have picked up the story, no? What's going on here? Is the whole thing bullshit? Or is big seed oil covering it up?

I think you are out of the loop. You say 'big seed oil' like it's a joke, but that's certainly a thing and a major lobby. There's a reason margerine was promoted as the healthy choice for decades (without 'reputable news sources' picking up on that it is, in fact, poison, and now illegal in most countries).

If the lobby is so powerful then why is it illegal in most countries?
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