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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty. (1) I wonder if this guy wants to make more work for himself and people in his profession, and (2) Black and White people might get very different results from this and other advice.

No matter who you are, talking to the police is a bad idea. This is a constant piece of advice from every lawyer AND POLICE OFFICER I’ve ever known. I have several cops in my family, and they all advise to never talk to the cops.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Everywhere. In every non 3rd world country you have a right to not incriminate yourself. “I do not recall” and “I refuse to answer” translates well into a lot of languages. The first time when you should talk about your case, if ever, is in court, during the trial.

This isn't accurate, adverse inference can be drawn from silence in many first world western nations.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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I think this case is the prime example why lying to a federal agent ought to not be a crime at all. Why should I go to prison and have a felony if Michael Flynn doesn’t have to? If I have to go to prison, so does Michael Flynn.

Michael Flynn has a friend with the power to pardon. You do not. Do not optimize the rules as if you and he were in the same class.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Related. Others?

Don't Talk to the Police - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23390344 - June 2020 (6 comments)

Don't Talk to the Police – James Duane - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19717507 - April 2019 (4 comments)

Don't Talk to the Police (2012) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886628 - Dec 2017 (165 comments)

Don't talk to the police [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6001859 - July 2013 (37 comments)

Don't talk to the police - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=219758 - June 2008 (35 comments)

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Civil rights are a core educational experience that is sorely and fundamentally lacking in the US educational system.

> lacking in the US educational system

In most other countries, cops can ask for your ID and basic questions and detain you if you are not complying.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Also don't talk to federal agents. Lying to a federal agent is a felony, and often times they don't have enough evidence for the original crime, but by talking to you they get evidence of you lying

Michael Flynn has entered the chat. If you can, get past his ideology and that he was a Trump guy, the actual process of what happened to him and what he was charged with is pretty crazy. He was very stupid for talking to agents without a lawyer. But, they went in and got him to lie about something that wasn’t a crime, and he didn’t actually do. Also on the front page of HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite…

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Everywhere. In every non 3rd world country you have a right to not incriminate yourself. “I do not recall” and “I refuse to answer” translates well into a lot of languages. The first time when you should talk about your case, if ever, is in court, during the trial.

This isn't accurate, adverse inference can be drawn from silence in many first world western nations.

“adverse inference” is still nothing when it comes to making a case and is still infinitely better than perhaps missing an important detail and then having discrepancies between your own testimonies.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty. (1) I wonder if this guy wants to make more work for himself and people in his profession, and (2) Black and White people might get very different results from this and other advice.

While you have the right to remain silent, I remember reading somewhere that you have to actively invoke that right (by stating something like "I invoke my 5th amendment right to remain silent") for your silence to be considered an invocation of that right, and not merely suspicious behavior, an implicit admission of guilt, or obstruction of justice.

This is actually reprehensible, since invoking a right should mean actually engaging in it (e.g. remaining silent), with no explanation necessary.

Another topic that everybody should know about is juror nullification.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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As a member of President Trump's transition team, Flynn made a pair of direct diplomatic requests to Russia's ambassador to the United States (Russia complied with both requests). Later, during an FBI counterintelligence investigation centering on Russia, Flynn lied twice about having had those diplomatic conversations at all. The case was later dropped because the entire overarching investigation (Crossfire Hurrican…

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