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Canada's population reaches 40M

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Re: Canada's population reaches 40M

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Post by bostonsre »

semihsalihoglu wrote: post #2

I've been living in Canada for 8 years and I generally heard people referring to "35M people", which I believe will soon change to "40M" people. Interesting that there is apparently a population clock that model's Canada's population: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005... See also the Century Initiative: https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/ to reach 100M by 2100.

I wonder if global warming could make it into one of the most populous countries in the distant future. Would be funny if there is some canadian cabal trying to speed up global warming.

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Post by chongli »

semihsalihoglu wrote: post #5
bee_rider wrote: post #3

Congrats, Canada! This has alerted me to the (IMO, pretty surprising) fact that all of Canada holds fewer people than the BosWash corridor.

I am also amused that Ontario, which is the most populous province has the following statistics: Area: 1,076,395 km square Population: 15.3M Istanbul, which is the biggest city in my home country Turkiye has these: Area: 5,343 (so 200x smaller) Population: 18M (official census is ~16M but even the major cites 18M) I'm not even comparing the much denser places in the world (e.g., Gaza).

The provincial area figure is meaningless for computing density. It’s like calculating the density of beer in a glass that’s been poured with 99% head. The real density is in the quarter inch of beer at the bottom of the glass, not the giant blob of foam above it.

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Post by [deleted] »

semihsalihoglu wrote: post #5
bee_rider wrote: post #3

Congrats, Canada! This has alerted me to the (IMO, pretty surprising) fact that all of Canada holds fewer people than the BosWash corridor.

I am also amused that Ontario, which is the most populous province has the following statistics: Area: 1,076,395 km square Population: 15.3M Istanbul, which is the biggest city in my home country Turkiye has these: Area: 5,343 (so 200x smaller) Population: 18M (official census is ~16M but even the major cites 18M) I'm not even comparing the much denser places in the world (e.g., Gaza).

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Re: Canada's population reaches 40M

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Post by faluzure »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Australia has dramatically increased its immigration intake. 750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years. This huge number of people are being brought in during Australias worst ever housing crisis. The ALP government doesn’t care in the slightest. In fact it’s greatly to the advantage of the politicians, most of whom own 1/2/3/4/5/6 or more houses.

1.5 million over 5 years are a rookie numbers. We did 1 million just last year. And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property.

Re: Canada's population reaches 40M

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Post by andrewstuart »

faluzure wrote: post #25
andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Australia has dramatically increased its immigration intake. 750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years. This huge number of people are being brought in during Australias worst ever housing crisis. The ALP government doesn’t care in the slightest. In fact it’s greatly to the advantage of the politicians, most of whom own 1/2/3/4/5/6 or more houses.

1.5 million over 5 years are a rookie numbers. We did 1 million just last year. And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property.

Australia’s “Minister for Homelessness” owns 4 houses.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

semihsalihoglu wrote: post #13
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name me a major western metro area with jobs and a good standard of living that doesn't. I remember people banging the drums 10 years agho "come to Berlin, there's so much empty houses". Yeah, that changed quickly.

This is a good point. There must be one though that other cities can look up to. I would guess Singapore does a good job on these problems. I would be curious to hear of the best examples of large cities that have done a better job on housing.

Housing problems here are related to pricing, and only tangentially to quantity of construction. The issue is how cheap housing loans have been, how deregulated the real estate sales market, and how stupid the last 20 years of governments have been about a) how they regulate the housing market and b) what kind of housing gets built (mostly either sprawly suburban single family mc-homes way out in e.g. Vaughan or Mississauga etc. or tiny condos in Toronto proper which just get turned into speculative investments or airbnbs).

Mortgages here were too cheap for too long. Really, what people "buy" when they buy a home is a mortgage, not a house.

Re: Canada's population reaches 40M

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Post by 908B64B197 »

slashdev wrote: post #10
NoRelToEmber wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems unsustainable. I thought the consensus was that environmental footprint should be reduced [1,2], not deliberately increased? [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/science-proves-kids-ar... Edit: As expected, the Century Initiative is chaired by corporate lobbyists, and closely tied to Blackrock, that has massive investments in Canadian…

This is not Canadians making babies, which they do below the replacement limit as in other developed countries. This is massive levels of immigration. Canadians do have a bigger per capita environment footprint, but still it’s really just moving people around. Whether those levels of immigration can be sustained without causing social problems is not yet known. Certainly housing is extremely unaffordable and taxes ar…

> Whether those levels of immigration can be sustained without causing social problems is not yet known. Certainly housing is extremely unaffordable and taxes are very high.

Canadian immigration quotas are simply out of control, about 10x per capita what the US allows.

And it's just the beginning, apparently the current ruling party is planning to give amnesty and permanent residency to half a million illegal migrants in the coming year. [0]

It creates an interesting dynamic in tech.

Anecdotally, it seems there's a lot of Canadians expats here in the Valley and they don't seem too keen on returning. We've been getting a lot of international applicants (but work from home was supposed to mean Canadians could avoid moving to the "dangerous" US but work for American companies?).

Post 2016 the messaging from most commonwealth countries (UK, Canada, Australia) seemed to be that they were going to be the ones benefiting from a brain drain of Americans leaving the country. Canada was supposed to become an "AI Superpower" and its Universities were supposed to be where innovation was going to happen next due to the perceived hostility of the United States to foreign talent. Yet it seems the opposite happened. It's interesting, in retrospective, to see how wrong these predictions were. Top destination for Canadian nationals in Academia was, and still is... the US. Canada maintains a net brain drain to the US [1]

Canada sure had a lot of "talent" immigrate in the meantime, but from my observations it's mostly people who can't -and likely won't ever be able to- secure a US visa, mostly due to skills (there's a reason they immigrated to Canada, it's way easier). Some companies leverage this and have floors of international devs they park in Canada for a fraction of their US counterpart through a subsidiary. The city of Vancouver even bragged about its devs being worth 50K less than their American counterparts! [2]

I witnessed it first hand. Back when we opened a satellite location in Toronto. First thing people asked coming into interviews was about relocating to the US and if we could sponsor their visa. The demographics also skewed heavily toward recent immigrants to Canada. The irony was, the Toronto location was opened specifically to house developers that simply couldn't pass the higher bar for US immigration.

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/immigration-ministry...

[1] http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-bra...

[2] https://globalnews.ca/news/4178326/amazon-vancouver-tech-wor...

Re: Canada's population reaches 40M

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Post by hn_thrwn »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Australia has dramatically increased its immigration intake. 750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years. This huge number of people are being brought in during Australias worst ever housing crisis. The ALP government doesn’t care in the slightest. In fact it’s greatly to the advantage of the politicians, most of whom own 1/2/3/4/5/6 or more houses.

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Re: Canada's population reaches 40M

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Post by jonny_eh »

hbn wrote: post #23
TheMagicHorsey wrote: post #15

Its kind of crazy that Canada now has the same population as California, and is 25 times bigger physically. Whereas Canada's economy is 50% smaller than California's (3T to 2T).

Yet we still manage to compete on housing prices!

In Vancouver and Toronto. Even then, SF house prices are still much higher when you consider the exchange rate.
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