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Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by lotharbot »

philco wrote: post #19
Vivtek wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cognitive bias is arguably more germane to HN than international energy politics.

My point is that voting determines what's relevant. Voting has put this on the front page. It's not about what you think, or whether you would argue that cognitive bias "is arguably more germane to HN", it has to do with what HN readers think is valuable and vote for.

the HN guidelines determine what should be submitted. The flag option exists in part because some HN readers submit or upvote stories that the guidelines say don't belong here.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by imran786 »

tkahn6 wrote: post #15
lninyo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BTW, Did the Jews have "authorization" to barge into someone else's country, commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and a 50 year war against the original inhabitants? (aside from that old rag called "The Old TEstament") ... Jus sayin'

You should look up the Balfour Declaration and the Treaty of Sevres. The answer to your question, disregarding your hyperbole and nonsense (what is this pre-existing country you speak of), is yes.

What utter nonsense. The Balfour Declaration was something between BRITAIN and a Zionist organisation (during WW1). How does BRITAIN have the right to give land to European Jews, when said land was the home of Palestinian Arabs, under the then sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire?

Simple answer, they didn't have that right. And the ONLY reason they were able to actually exercise it, was because the Arabs (whom they had double-crossed) were instrumental in defeating the Ottomans.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by davidkatz »

[deleted] wrote: post #18
[deleted] wrote: post #9

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This just sounds wrong to me.

The territories under question are not occupied, but disputed. Each side has legitimate claims to them, and their status can only be resolved through negotiations, which is what the sides themselves agreed to in the Oslo Accords [1].

Furthermore, by what is the claim that Israel smashes every attempt of Palestinian economic development supported? Over a decade, Israel ceded territory and control to the Palestinian government, aided in tax collection, and continues to supply electricity to the Gaza strip, a hostile territory from which missiles are routinely fired into Israeli population centers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by zunky »

Since when did hacker news became a source for politics? That is what the NY Times, Fox News,and CNN are for. Please don't let HN become one of those sites that entices hatred towards another country or a certain group of people. This post should be deleted as it has nothing to do with HN.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by nivertech »

EScott11 wrote: post #11
[deleted] wrote: post #9

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Good point, but you can also probably get the permits far more easily than a Palestinian living in the West Bank who doesn't speak the language of the government that he does not recognize.

Civil Administration do speak and communicate important documents in Arabic. Likewise nomad tribes living there do understand Hebrew.

Unrelated, but their particular dialect (Rural Palestinian Arabic) still have some Hebrew substratum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Arabic#Influence_of...

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by GiraffeNecktie »

coolestuk wrote: post #20
lninyo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BTW, Did the Jews have "authorization" to barge into someone else's country, commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and a 50 year war against the original inhabitants? (aside from that old rag called "The Old TEstament") ... Jus sayin'

That is the kind of ignorant idea I used to have. It is time you got beyond the media failing to provide a true historical context for what is probably the most over-reported region of the planet. Already in 1929 in Hebron "Palestinian" Arabs were massacring jews in Hebron. Jews who had live in Hebron for some thousands of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre The way the media presents this story,…

Yuck. Wikipedia on the Middle East. I tried helping out with editing that area once and gave up in frustration. Lots of crazies on both sides, but I got the distinct impression that the pro-Israeli side was better organized, perhaps even funded. In any case, it looked to me like they were gaming WP for propaganda purposes (yes the other side was doing it too, but not in the same disciplined way) I'd never cite Wikipedia on anything controversial.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by davidkatz »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #4
tovmeod wrote: post #2

off toppic. basically people installed solar panels, which require proper authorization, which they didn't have, so authorities are going to dismantle it. how this is news? just because it is in israel? so what? couldn't care less, this would happen in any part of the world, whatever. then article goes on talking about politics. why this was even posted on hacker news?

Because Israel limits the amount of power going into Gaza purposely. Not only are they refusing to provide them with power (they're obviously paying for it, not "taking" it from Israel), but they're also preventing them from generating their own electricity as well. Depending on where you are in Gaza, you have anywhere from four to eighteen hours of power a day under normal circumstances. When the tensions rise, you'…

Two questions:

(1) Why do you think Israel should be obliged to supply electricity to a hostile territory, ruled by a government that explicitly states it's desire to destroy it [1], backed up with routine rocket fire into Israeli population centers?

(2) How exactly is Israel preventing the generation of electricity in Gaza?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

EDIT: grammar correction

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by davidkatz »

imran786 wrote: post #22
tkahn6 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should look up the Balfour Declaration and the Treaty of Sevres. The answer to your question, disregarding your hyperbole and nonsense (what is this pre-existing country you speak of), is yes.

What utter nonsense. The Balfour Declaration was something between BRITAIN and a Zionist organisation (during WW1). How does BRITAIN have the right to give land to European Jews, when said land was the home of Palestinian Arabs, under the then sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire? Simple answer, they didn't have that right. And the ONLY reason they were able to actually exercise it, was because the Arabs (whom they had…

The Treaty of Sevres, which adopted the Balfour Declaration, was signed between the Allies and the Ottoman Empire, which, as you so pointed out, had sovereignty over the territory at the time.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by philco »

lotharbot wrote: post #21
philco wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that voting determines what's relevant. Voting has put this on the front page. It's not about what you think, or whether you would argue that cognitive bias "is arguably more germane to HN", it has to do with what HN readers think is valuable and vote for.

the HN guidelines determine what should be submitted. The flag option exists in part because some HN readers submit or upvote stories that the guidelines say don't belong here.

I stand corrected!

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by babbling »

drats wrote: post #14

This is totally irrelevant to HN and is one of the issues on the Internet most likely to start a flame war. Flagged. georgecmu you appear to have been around HN a good while, which surprises me as it's more than long enough to know this is totally inappropriate. Go to reddit.com/r/worldnews or one of the other relevant subreddits if you want to discuss this issue.

Except that the Israeli Palestinian conflict is interesting to a lot of people and Hacker News tends to have more civilized discussions than some other places
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