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It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by benreesman »

SoftTalker wrote: post #18
benreesman wrote: post #16

It’s obviously better when there’s good data. People like myself who frequent HN often do because they want to hear an expert cut through the propaganda with the inside baseball on the real science. And I hope someone does on this thread. But in the absence of a qualified expert interpreting the inside data laypeople are as always thrown back on the thoughtfulness arbitrary creative force gave a rock and anecdata. An…

It sounds trite but just do it. Go out. Go to bars, go to the gym, go to the coffee shop, go to wherever people are congregating. Living cooped up in a box is no way to live. Unsurprising that the study in TFA found that creatures living in unhappy circumstances seek mood-altering substances more than those living more freely and naturally.

As I said: maybe I’m an outlier and my N=1 study is one of those dots in the corner.

But historically I’m a rabid extrovert on paper in terms of coffee shops and bars and comedy clubs and music shows. Before the risk was that I’d meet some cool people and talk until I had to race to the morning’s first meeting.

And when I say “empty-seeming” I don’t mean there are no people exactly, but rather that walking up to someone and introducing yourself seems to go over about as well everywhere as it historically has in Paris.

Now one random guy having a bad time socially isn’t data, but I thought it was worthwhile to throw out in case I wasn’t the only one.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by refurb »

xrd wrote: post #13

I've got a friend who recently was hospitalized for fentanyl addiction. Twenty years ago he was my first investor in my first startup. He was the guy that taught me about mediation. He was the first vegetarian I knew. He owned four cab licenses in Portland. Then Uber came in and shredded his retirement plan. The cab company forced him out so he wouldn't even capitalize on the partial ownership of the land they owned.…

Oxycodone was always known to be addictive. It’s right on the label from day one.

“Also at the time of OxyContin’s approval, FDA product labeling warned of the danger of abuse of the drug and that crushing a controlled-release tablet followed by intravenous injection could result in a lethal overdose. There was no evidence to suggest at the time that crushing the controlled-release capsule followed by oral ingestion or snorting would become widespread and lead to a high level of abuse.”

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/information-drug-class/timeline-se...

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by skilled »

Indeed, it's not the chemicals. It's that one innocent friend of yours who has you wrapped you around his finger. ;-)

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Downvotes? How about learning to ask some questions on such a "controversial" topic? What do you think, the chemicals just fall into your lap from the sky?

And yes, I have firsthand experience with addiction, for many years actually.

I am sorry for being so intelligent that I am able to narrow it down to the actual root problem in a single sentence.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by captainkrtek »

benreesman wrote: post #16

It’s obviously better when there’s good data. People like myself who frequent HN often do because they want to hear an expert cut through the propaganda with the inside baseball on the real science. And I hope someone does on this thread. But in the absence of a qualified expert interpreting the inside data laypeople are as always thrown back on the thoughtfulness arbitrary creative force gave a rock and anecdata. An…

Think COVID has caused many of us to reflect on life, and how choose to resume it now that the situation has improved.

Working from home for so long definitely removed a social element from my life, but I've replaced the time I would be commuting with exercise and time outdoors, which has been a massive life improvement.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by xrd »

refurb wrote: post #22
xrd wrote: post #13

I've got a friend who recently was hospitalized for fentanyl addiction. Twenty years ago he was my first investor in my first startup. He was the guy that taught me about mediation. He was the first vegetarian I knew. He owned four cab licenses in Portland. Then Uber came in and shredded his retirement plan. The cab company forced him out so he wouldn't even capitalize on the partial ownership of the land they owned.…

Oxycodone was always known to be addictive. It’s right on the label from day one. “Also at the time of OxyContin’s approval, FDA product labeling warned of the danger of abuse of the drug and that crushing a controlled-release tablet followed by intravenous injection could result in a lethal overdose. There was no evidence to suggest at the time that crushing the controlled-release capsule followed by oral ingestion…

I remember with distinct anger that my friend told me information to the contrary. He probably got that phrasing from that doctor who got a free trip to Barbados to push it. I wasn't there but i remember him telling me that and it makes my blood boil.

I do share other people's skepticism of the medical industry as you might be able to tell. He should have done more research, agreed.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by arcanemachiner »

refurb wrote: post #22
xrd wrote: post #13

I've got a friend who recently was hospitalized for fentanyl addiction. Twenty years ago he was my first investor in my first startup. He was the guy that taught me about mediation. He was the first vegetarian I knew. He owned four cab licenses in Portland. Then Uber came in and shredded his retirement plan. The cab company forced him out so he wouldn't even capitalize on the partial ownership of the land they owned.…

Oxycodone was always known to be addictive. It’s right on the label from day one. “Also at the time of OxyContin’s approval, FDA product labeling warned of the danger of abuse of the drug and that crushing a controlled-release tablet followed by intravenous injection could result in a lethal overdose. There was no evidence to suggest at the time that crushing the controlled-release capsule followed by oral ingestion…

People are often taken in by the Big New Thing. That's why I have a default policy of skepticism towards pretty much everything.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

xrd wrote: post #13

I've got a friend who recently was hospitalized for fentanyl addiction. Twenty years ago he was my first investor in my first startup. He was the guy that taught me about mediation. He was the first vegetarian I knew. He owned four cab licenses in Portland. Then Uber came in and shredded his retirement plan. The cab company forced him out so he wouldn't even capitalize on the partial ownership of the land they owned.…

of course you shouldn't be mad at your friend. he is suffering and seeking relief. the sacklers and the cartels for sure are despicable. but they aren't responsible for your friend either. they didn't force him to take drugs. it sounds petty but i firmly believe for a number of reasons that it is very important to keep this in mind.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by xrd »

xrd wrote: post #13

I've got a friend who recently was hospitalized for fentanyl addiction. Twenty years ago he was my first investor in my first startup. He was the guy that taught me about mediation. He was the first vegetarian I knew. He owned four cab licenses in Portland. Then Uber came in and shredded his retirement plan. The cab company forced him out so he wouldn't even capitalize on the partial ownership of the land they owned.…

Also, my friend is in the hospital and apparently will be there for a week or two. So he will leave with several hundred thousand dollars of debt, which will probably be shackled around his mom's neck.

This is a medical crisis that will never get solved because our medical system doesn't want to handle people with these addictions. No one does of course. But that's the only way to solve it in my opinion.

Re: It’s not the chemicals that cause addiction (2017)

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

xrd wrote: post #13

I've got a friend who recently was hospitalized for fentanyl addiction. Twenty years ago he was my first investor in my first startup. He was the guy that taught me about mediation. He was the first vegetarian I knew. He owned four cab licenses in Portland. Then Uber came in and shredded his retirement plan. The cab company forced him out so he wouldn't even capitalize on the partial ownership of the land they owned.…

That sucks about your friend. But how did anyone think there was no abuse potential? I was in highschool in the early to mid 2000s and even I knew there was massive abuse potential. There's a reason it was called hillbilly heroin
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