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Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by surgical_fire »

m3kw9 wrote: post #6

This guy is missing something and a bit myopic. The Visions real vision is convenience. No more holding the phone to absorb content, everywhere entertainment, immersive experiences, everything always available. The device is no where near the ideal form of just a light weight glasses, or even contacts. Between here and the future it will get more and more portable.

Yes, instead of holding a fairly small screen that is very light and fits in my pocket, I can have the "convenience" of strapping some fucking huge goggles to my head so I can enjoy that sweet motion sickness. All for the convenient price of 3.5 grand.

I just don't think this is DoA because Apple fans buy any crap Apple releases, no matter the price. It will become a nice iPaperweight though.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by LegitShady »

ramesh31 wrote: post #4

Spatial computing will be the dominant paradigm for the vast, vast majority of all history once it is nailed down. The mouse/keyboard/monitor paradigm will be a small footnote in the early history of HCI once it is obliviated. Apple, as always, is showing the rest of the industry the way forward here.

I think the opposite. Even the lack of controllers is a downside for the apple vision. Controllers allow for multiple simultaneous modes of complex inputs that gestures don't and don't rely on being in the view of a camera. Making controllers optional for activities that don't need complex inputs would have been better.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by conductr »

throw74775 wrote: post #18
ge96 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious. How many people buy the $1-2K phone flagships... then there's this. People buy a $2K MBP is it a huge jump to go to $3.5K? I would like to see it succeed. Edit: my concern with it, is will it be like an iPad. I pre-ordered simula one which doesn't event exist yet and won't be on par with this hardware wise. But it will be a fully open Linux OS. You could just write/run programs eg. in whatever language…

Am MBP plus a studio display is about $3.5k. Nobody seems to object to that pricing.

Value proposition is known and high. My perceived value on Vision is 90% chance that this $3.5k device will be collecting dust on a shelf

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by socialdemocrat »

surgical_fire wrote: post #21
m3kw9 wrote: post #6

This guy is missing something and a bit myopic. The Visions real vision is convenience. No more holding the phone to absorb content, everywhere entertainment, immersive experiences, everything always available. The device is no where near the ideal form of just a light weight glasses, or even contacts. Between here and the future it will get more and more portable.

Yes, instead of holding a fairly small screen that is very light and fits in my pocket, I can have the "convenience" of strapping some fucking huge goggles to my head so I can enjoy that sweet motion sickness. All for the convenient price of 3.5 grand. I just don't think this is DoA because Apple fans buy any crap Apple releases, no matter the price. It will become a nice iPaperweight though.

I have long been skeptical of AI/AR because I also don’t feel like being strapped in like that. But I can see this as being useful for dedicated tasks: surgeons, building or repairing a PC, inspecting a buildings. It will be more of a professional tool than consumer tool I think.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by fnordsensei »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14
chasing wrote: post #11

It’s a tool. Don’t want the tool? Don’t use it. There are absolutely going to be use-cases for it, even if Baudrillard would prefer we all just use our imaginations. Who needs a car when all we need is to just stroll amongst the trees and let nature fuel our imaginations? Because I need to get to the airport on time and with a bunch of luggage.

Right why talk about anything ever everyone just sit in silence.

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Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by ljm »

retskrad wrote: post #3

The Vision Pro is probably the most advanced consumer tech available and it's by far the best AR/VR headset. However, it's DOA. It's going to flop and Apple knows it but they know that they need to release it now to let developers and users show them what it's true purpose will be. The real deal will be the AR glasses, not these big ski goggles that nobody wants to wear.

If I had 3.5k to spare for the base model I’d use it as an opportunity to try and build some useful apps, and basically treat it as a gamble on establishing a foothold in the space.

It might not take off for a while but the experience might pay off, even if the apps themselves don’t generate much income.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by nerdjon »

retskrad wrote: post #3

The Vision Pro is probably the most advanced consumer tech available and it's by far the best AR/VR headset. However, it's DOA. It's going to flop and Apple knows it but they know that they need to release it now to let developers and users show them what it's true purpose will be. The real deal will be the AR glasses, not these big ski goggles that nobody wants to wear.

It isn't a "flop" if Apple knows this and expects to sell a very small number of these devices.

This is a first version of a device in a very niche market that will take a long time for it to hit mainstream (if it ever does).

Apple even danced around this quite a few times in how they talked about this particular product. For the first time, maybe ever, Apple hinted at future products while talking about this. I think this was made even more clear with it having the "Pro" name attached.

Us calling it "DOA" and a "Flop" are very very different than wether or not Apple considers it either, and ultimately that is what will matter. If Apple is smart (and I believe they are based on how they talked about this) they know this is a long term product category.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by surgical_fire »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #24
surgical_fire wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, instead of holding a fairly small screen that is very light and fits in my pocket, I can have the "convenience" of strapping some fucking huge goggles to my head so I can enjoy that sweet motion sickness. All for the convenient price of 3.5 grand. I just don't think this is DoA because Apple fans buy any crap Apple releases, no matter the price. It will become a nice iPaperweight though.

I have long been skeptical of AI/AR because I also don’t feel like being strapped in like that. But I can see this as being useful for dedicated tasks: surgeons, building or repairing a PC, inspecting a buildings. It will be more of a professional tool than consumer tool I think.

> But I can see this as being useful for dedicated tasks

Possibly, but Oculus already exists, and has existed for a while. Did this market materialize?

Honest question, I don't follow Meta/Oculus news closely.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by 0l »

inconceivable wrote: post #12
retskrad wrote: post #3

The Vision Pro is probably the most advanced consumer tech available and it's by far the best AR/VR headset. However, it's DOA. It's going to flop and Apple knows it but they know that they need to release it now to let developers and users show them what it's true purpose will be. The real deal will be the AR glasses, not these big ski goggles that nobody wants to wear.

lmao it's not even available yet, how can it be doa?

It's a saying - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dead_on_arrival (definition 4)
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