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LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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Tesla doesn't make their batteries, they buy them from Panasonic.

If you have evidence that Tesla doesn't make batteries, perhaps you should alert their shareholders that the company is lying on this page: https://www.tesla.com/giga-nevada

You're both right. Tesla doesn't make battery cells, they make battery packs. A battery pack is comprised of several battery cells, for example the Model Y has over 4,000 cells in its battery pack.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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Posts on Hacker News related to LiquidPiston go back 11(!) years. The most comments are on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25450477 If this was going to revolutionize anything, it would've happened by now.

The overproduced site/video gives off strong crypto scam energy.

There’s a big INVEST NOW button with a very low dollar amount, and I like how they even threw in the line about being an immigrant from Ukraine as if to capitalize on current events.

I’m sure they’re not a “scam” though, just a poor investment.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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On the one hand, it seems like they have an addressable market. On the other hand, it seems like a scam because they're trying to attract investors with a fancy web page and thin statements about where they're actually selling.

The comparison to a 25HP Kholer on the main page is... something. Here's the 'brochure': https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5f6086e9bbbabd41a20f2984/642...

Less than half the torque at more than double the RPMs. And very low compression, I don't see how this can run diesel.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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Posts on Hacker News related to LiquidPiston go back 11(!) years. The most comments are on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25450477 If this was going to revolutionize anything, it would've happened by now.

I think any engine design that was popularized was backed by a car company, even the Wankel engine. If they want to make this design popular, they need to design products around it so their claims are proven. I mean I still don't believe Tesla's primary business model is cars; the competition is outselling them left right and center. Theirs is batteries and charging infrastructure. That's a huge market that can fuel…

I have this feeling that all of Musk's comnpanies are technology development ventures intended to support his primary goal of getting humans to live off-earth. Note: I am not defending his goal, or idolizing him. But consider: boring company: finance learning about tunnel construction; tunnels needed on moon or mars for habitation; solar cells: very useful on moon or mars; hyperloop: finance learning about vacuum seals and related technology. My explanation makes much more sense for each of these than the ostensible goal of the company. which brings me to the point in Cthulhu's post: tesla is selling cars to understand the techne of energy storage for use in space habs.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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Apparently they have 210cc 25hp engine available.. is there any reason someone (or they themselves) couldn't throw that into a bike to see how it performs in real-world? There are plenty of 250-300cc bikes around with comparable power ratings, so you'd think it'd be feasible project and a bike sounds much simpler than car/aircraft/etc

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have evidence that Tesla doesn't make batteries, perhaps you should alert their shareholders that the company is lying on this page: https://www.tesla.com/giga-nevada

You're both right. Tesla doesn't make battery cells , they make battery packs. A battery pack is comprised of several battery cells, for example the Model Y has over 4,000 cells in its battery pack.

They certainly appear to be making cells now too.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/22/everything-you-need-to-...

https://electrek.co/2023/04/21/tesla-update-4680-battery-cel...

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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hmmm.. still uses apex seals, would need seriously small tolerances to make it work effectively. Call me skeptical but I don't see how this is really any better than the traditional wankel/rotary design

Small, multi-fuel, engines do have interesting applications. I tend to agree though. The other big thing, these rotary engines have traditionally had poor combustion. Direct injection and turbulent jet ignition have focused on improving combustion efficiency and made tremendous gains. I’m not sure how liquidpiston addresses that, especially with the fuel claims. Traditionally you’d add fuel additives to help with combustion efficiency.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

#28
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It's effectively an inside-out wankel, so the seals are stationary. This is a much easier problem to solve, and now you don't need to throw oil in the combustion chamber to lubricate the moving seals.

to me it still looks like its principally a wankel motor just with a few changes.

If you look at an image, you can see the three apex seals on the stator, which is shaped the same way as a wankel rotor. The rotor of the liquidpiston engine is shaped similarly to the wankel stator and has no seals. It's almost the same just turned inside-out.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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The video on the main page had me until they said their main focus now was on helping the U.S. empire's attempts to subjugate the rest of the world. If small form factors were a focus, how about off grid generators or the like. Leading with military applications does not inspire IMHO.

> If small form factors were a focus, how about off grid generators or the like.

Which is probably why the military is interested in it.

If it runs on diesel all the better as they have pretty much standardized on JP8 for all their subjugation needs.

Re: LiquidPiston – The combustion engine reimagined

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think any engine design that was popularized was backed by a car company, even the Wankel engine. If they want to make this design popular, they need to design products around it so their claims are proven. I mean I still don't believe Tesla's primary business model is cars; the competition is outselling them left right and center. Theirs is batteries and charging infrastructure. That's a huge market that can fuel…

I have this feeling that all of Musk's comnpanies are technology development ventures intended to support his primary goal of getting humans to live off-earth. Note: I am not defending his goal, or idolizing him. But consider: boring company: finance learning about tunnel construction; tunnels needed on moon or mars for habitation; solar cells: very useful on moon or mars; hyperloop: finance learning about vacuum sea…

there isn't a single product elmu could produce for which a tenuous connection couldn't be imagined

apples? well he's just learning about agriculture, which we will need on Mars

toilets? well, people poop on Mars, too

overpriced AV cables? well, obviously Mars will need high end cables for stuff

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