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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by robear »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

In the presentation today, Apple specifically mentioned connecting to your macOS device as a seamless experience. In my opinion, this will be another "content consumption" device like an iPad that integrates with macOS devices and is not a replacement for them.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by nottorp »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

> Everyone. It's a laptop replacement.

It is? As in it acts like a normal Mac OS machine that happens to be attached to your head, holds all your files and stuff without communicating to another PC?

Can I just run IntelliJ on it and write code?

Or does it just replace your monitor(s) ?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by sowbug »

24 million pixels across the two panels, orders of magnitude more than any headsets most consumers have come in contact with

The Quest 2 has about 4 million, which is undoubtedly more than 0.24 million. Has "order of magnitude" joined "exponential" as another math expression stolen as a synonym for "rilly rilly rilly"?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by esafak »

carabiner wrote: post #10
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

I mean who would pay $600 for a cell phone ?

For the young ones in the audience, here's the visionary CEO who said it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by olliej »

sowbug wrote: post #23

24 million pixels across the two panels, orders of magnitude more than any headsets most consumers have come in contact with The Quest 2 has about 4 million, which is undoubtedly more than 0.24 million. Has "order of magnitude" joined "exponential" as another math expression stolen as a synonym for "rilly rilly rilly"?

But in base 2 it’s many orders :D :D

More seriously the repeated quote-the-marketing in this article was annoying. You’re explaining your use of it, and your experience is the only thing that matters. Everyone has read the specs at this point.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by lstamour »

sowbug wrote: post #23

24 million pixels across the two panels, orders of magnitude more than any headsets most consumers have come in contact with The Quest 2 has about 4 million, which is undoubtedly more than 0.24 million. Has "order of magnitude" joined "exponential" as another math expression stolen as a synonym for "rilly rilly rilly"?

I think the problem is the plural. You could convincingly say that 24 is _an_ order of magnitude bigger than 4, even if technically log(24) is 1.38 … it’s a close enough approximation.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Ilnsk »

nottorp wrote: post #22
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

> Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. It is? As in it acts like a normal Mac OS machine that happens to be attached to your head, holds all your files and stuff without communicating to another PC? Can I just run IntelliJ on it and write code? Or does it just replace your monitor(s) ?

Can I run NVim on it?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by olliej »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #9
orbital-decay wrote: post #4

I'm sure it's good enough with that resolution and other high tech stuff. But can you work in it for extended periods of time? I never wear wristwatches or smart watches unless I have to (hiking, running etc) because I dislike any trinkets that touch the skin 24/7, regardless of the material. This thing is almost like a diving mask, just not airtight. How about wearing it several hours straight?

I regularly wear my Quest for 9-10 hours a day. It's plenty comfortable with the right equipment. I forget I'm wearing it after a while.

As a friend pointed out, the stated battery life would have o just barely been enough for the keynote O_o

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by inconceivable »

andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years.

this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are there really people on this site so young that they don't remember how this works beyond a single product hype cycle? is it that hard to remember how compact discs, dial-up internet, laptops, multi-CPU/cores, DVDs, mp3 players, broadband, smartphones, bluetooth, wifi, flash, SSDs, GPUs, plasma, lcd, led, smartwatches, EVs took 5-10 years to hit mass market? "well, that's different, those were obviously going to be hits" -- no. wrong. all of this stuff was atrocious and atrociously expensive when it first came out. anyone remember the first orinoco wifi cards? or bluetooth? the shit didn't even work.

here are some current things that sort of suck but will probably also continue get better: satellite internet, smart home tech, solar tech, LLMs. this stuff will get better. it's the housing, education, healthcare, financial services that are going to get worse and worse because all of the money flows to the people making the tech. talk about missing the forest for the trees.

i mean is it REALLY that hard to remember this stuff? am i REALLY that old? am i taking crazy pills?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by vikramkr »

orbital-decay wrote: post #4

I'm sure it's good enough with that resolution and other high tech stuff. But can you work in it for extended periods of time? I never wear wristwatches or smart watches unless I have to (hiking, running etc) because I dislike any trinkets that touch the skin 24/7, regardless of the material. This thing is almost like a diving mask, just not airtight. How about wearing it several hours straight?

My guess is that if you dislike even wristwatches then something like this is just going to be a nonstarter right? For me, I'm comfortable with nearly 24/7 wear of watches and an hour or so in the quest on beatsaber - if they manage to improve image quality I think k that's a major factor for making it more comfortable. Beatsaber is fine, but I couldn't imagine doing anything that actually required reading or the like, that would hurt my eyes pretty fast
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