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Manifesto on the Teaching of Mathematics (2015)

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Re: Manifesto on the Teaching of Mathematics (2015)

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I read the manifesto and somewhat disagree with the claim "It follows that we must not introduce any topic for which we cannot first convince the students that they should want to pursue it." But in skimming the book, it's just seems not very good.

"I read the manifesto and somewhat disagree with the claim "It follows that we must not introduce any topic for which we cannot first convince the students that they should want to pursue it.""

Why not? Did you never experienced the differences in learning something because you had to vs. learning something because you are interested in it? I found the latter to be far more effective and the first mostly a sad waste of time.

School math was mostly wasted on me. So many hours for nothing (even though I had somewhat good grades). But when I have a specific coding problem now, that I can solve with math - then I see a reason and then I enjoy doing math, as it now has a purpose. If people think, I will never need that crap, than their brain will resist learning it. The result is wasted time and energy for everyone involved.

Re: Manifesto on the Teaching of Mathematics (2015)

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post #8

One of my most memorable courses in undergraduate was taught by a spritely lecturer who must've been in his 80s. He'd make a statement or proposition, write it on the board, then quickly turn around, point at a student somewhere in the classroom with an open palm, and shout, "do you believe this?" It was partly theatrical, but it seemed genuine. It was very engaging and it really prodded me to consider whether what h…

Interesting perspective. Why someone would downvote it is beyond me.

I just got voting powers and did not downvote parent but the icons are tiny on mobile and they give no indication of which you click after the fact. I have no idea which took when I click the icon.

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I'm convinced by this... as long as we make a distinction between mathematics and arithmetic.

I'm grateful now, and was not at the time, to my educator mother for drilling me and drilling me again on addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. She drilled me until we were both so frustrated we couldn't see straight.

Her relentlessness gave me a basic numeracy that set me free to explore conceptual math and actually have fun doing it. She did it for my sibs too. It made us kiddos capable of playing car-trip games like "spot the prime number on the license plate".

She knew there was no magic pedagogy to learning that basic arithmetic, just drilling. Now she was no mathematician herself. Mention the central limit theorem to her and you'd get "huh"? She studied classics in school. But she sure knew how to to teach.

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> My second axiom concerns the process of learning. It says: We learn when we are challenged, when we push ourselves. If you’re not stuck you’re not learning. If it’s not a struggle you’re not doing it right. It follows that we must always look for new points of view and pursue open-ended questions. The role of the teacher is not to make life easy for the student by giving crystal clear lectures and predictable tests. Instead the role of the teacher is to guide and encourage the student’s own process of learning by setting suitable challenges and by stimulating thought and reflection.

Thanks for making this point. Many people tend to have a faulty view of education as some sort of comfortable path, where one's present proclivities are retained or even enhanced. However, if education is done right, then it is total revolution within the individual, destroying all sorts of faulty mental structures to build a better structure altogether.

I believe teachers who do not espouse challenge or do not put such challenge into daily practice, are of questionable value.

A better understanding of what education is about, from both teachers & learners is of great importance.

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I find this axiomatic approach shallow and unworkable. You will only reach kids that already don’t need anything. Ie, those who are already self motivated. Those kids aren’t the issue.

I think math instruction should take a cue from Pythagoras who, according to Iamblichus, taught by first paying his students a small amount for each successful learning accomplishment — until the students were older and wanted to pay him to learn more. It’s legendary, but the truth is that we shouldn’t expect kids to want to learn math.

Learning core skills should not rely on intrinsic motivation. It is so much easier to be intrinsically motivated once you have a base. Otherwise everything is just difficult and frustrating.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting perspective. Why someone would downvote it is beyond me.

I just got voting powers and did not downvote parent but the icons are tiny on mobile and they give no indication of which you click after the fact. I have no idea which took when I click the icon.

The undo button varies:

“unvote” vs “undown”

Re: Manifesto on the Teaching of Mathematics (2015)

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post #17

I do definitely agree that something is lacking in current mathematical education, but calling your own counter-program "intellectual mathematics" is a bit ... on the nose. Judging from the rest of the website, the author appears to have some rather idiosyncratic opinions. For example, he seems to be unconvinced that rigour is an essential component of mathematics (even going as far as claiming not to understand what…

Talking about not understanding rigor in the context of calculus is silly.

Modern formalism is because of calculus!… and the fact that contrary results were obtained regarding continuity and derivatives due to subtly different conceptions of the terms.

Enter the Weierstrass function:

> Weierstrass's demonstration that continuity did not imply almost-everywhere differentiability upended mathematics, overturning several proofs that relied on geometric intuition and vague definitions of smoothness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weierstrass_function

Re: Manifesto on the Teaching of Mathematics (2015)

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I find this axiomatic approach shallow and unworkable. You will only reach kids that already don’t need anything. Ie, those who are already self motivated. Those kids aren’t the issue. I think math instruction should take a cue from Pythagoras who, according to Iamblichus, taught by first paying his students a small amount for each successful learning accomplishment — until the students were older and wanted to pay h…

Yeah I can’t fully agree with axioma #2. While people learn when you challenge them, every person reacts differently when they struggle. And there is this thing, anxiety, that makes people insecure. Mathematics anxiety is even a thing [1].

So I think this axioma is based on a previous one: everyone wants to be challenged, which I believe is not true. You have to give people a reason for that motivation first, to be able to challenge them. Otherwise you will make people feel insecure, because they will think that they’re not smart enough, and we are taught that maths = smart. (Maybe we have to tackle this social construct first.)

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[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_anxiety

Re: Manifesto on the Teaching of Mathematics (2015)

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post #7

Math was born out of reality needs, not from thin air. But due to the force of all kinds of artifical force (passing the exam, learn by heart all the formula, paying the college debts,..), the quality of books is bad. It's more like a boring dictionary in most of cases. The Math way of thinking is very different from software engineering though: On math, it's more about How things is reasoned about, rather than on re…

Well for starters programmers are not engineers, calling them that is just putting lipstick on a pig, a feel-good title like "chief corporate luminosity enhancer" instead "window cleaner", calling chiropractors "doctors", putting police-like uniforms on mall shop security guards, etc. Pathetic and lame but the term has stuck.

When it comes to math, it's actually used by two distinct categories: real engineers and mathematicians. There's also physicists but they share the same trait with engineers: math is a tool and not a purpose. A mathematician will become very anal when you skip some tiny detail in a demonstration, like go from Taylor series expansion to Ito lemma by approximating dt^2 =~ 0 (I had this happen to me). An engineer (that is, me ;) couldn't give a funk since Ito lemma is a well known and already proven fact and they only use the quick derivation from Taylor expansion as a way to mentally remember the former when they need it for some actual, real-life use case.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got voting powers and did not downvote parent but the icons are tiny on mobile and they give no indication of which you click after the fact. I have no idea which took when I click the icon.

The undo button varies: “unvote” vs “undown”

Oh that is good to know. So vote is always a positive. Got it. Thanks.
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