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Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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Post by bchapuis »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Just scrolling around Israel, it seems text rendering for RTL is broken. https://demo.baremaps.com/#12.91/32.06932/34.75969 Should be “תל אביב”, not “ביבא לת”. How do these issues even exists in 2023? Is a team building these renders not aware of RTL languages, or do they just not bother implementing it?

Thank you for reporting this problem, I created an issue on GitHub to track it. The root cause is probably located in our tileset or style (not in the renderer). Right now, we use the OpenStreetMap name attribute in our tiles and most of our tests are performed in central europe.

Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

tiberious726 wrote: post #18
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Just scrolling around Israel, it seems text rendering for RTL is broken. https://demo.baremaps.com/#12.91/32.06932/34.75969 Should be “תל אביב”, not “ביבא לת”. How do these issues even exists in 2023? Is a team building these renders not aware of RTL languages, or do they just not bother implementing it?

> "How do these issues even exists in 2023?" Have actually tried writing something that handles languages running in different directions? It might be 2023, but the libraries... aren't great...

From my experience (not on the web), frameworks that take their Unicode support seriously fare quite well by now (nothing is perfect), while frameworks that make silly assumptions that everything is ASCII do not.

Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

bchapuis wrote: post #21
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Just scrolling around Israel, it seems text rendering for RTL is broken. https://demo.baremaps.com/#12.91/32.06932/34.75969 Should be “תל אביב”, not “ביבא לת”. How do these issues even exists in 2023? Is a team building these renders not aware of RTL languages, or do they just not bother implementing it?

Thank you for reporting this problem, I created an issue on GitHub to track it. The root cause is probably located in our tileset or style (not in the renderer). Right now, we use the OpenStreetMap name attribute in our tiles and most of our tests are performed in central europe.

Thanks. Just verified, and OSM is correctly rendering RTL (at least Hebrew).

Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Just scrolling around Israel, it seems text rendering for RTL is broken. https://demo.baremaps.com/#12.91/32.06932/34.75969 Should be “תל אביב”, not “ביבא לת”. How do these issues even exists in 2023? Is a team building these renders not aware of RTL languages, or do they just not bother implementing it?

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Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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Post by makeitdouble »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Just scrolling around Israel, it seems text rendering for RTL is broken. https://demo.baremaps.com/#12.91/32.06932/34.75969 Should be “תל אביב”, not “ביבא לת”. How do these issues even exists in 2023? Is a team building these renders not aware of RTL languages, or do they just not bother implementing it?

> How do these issues even exists in 2023?

As long as the core developpers of the new platform live and work on the US west coast, any issue non relevant to the US will be a second class citizen, mostly dealt with after the product is deemed stable.

The same way OpenAI operates in english first and other language systems will be improved "later".

It's not a jab on the devs, I realistically can't see any other approach. Just another angle where there's no free lunch and more investment is needed building systems that aren't US first if we care about non-US needs being met in a timely manner.

Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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Post by urschrei »

Waterluvian wrote: post #12
bchapuis wrote: post #4

Hi, author here, I just noticed that Baremaps was submitted to HN. Our demo runs on PostGIS, and I'm surprised it's holding up under the load. I'm happy to answer questions. Here is the fullscreen demonstration for those who are interested. https://demo.baremaps.com/

As a geographer who migrated to mobile robotics and web mapping, I’ve found that there is a lack of “serious” web spatial analysis tools for in-browser work. Think the geotoolbox you get in ArcGIS or QGIS for building analytical processing pipelines for raster and vector datasets, particularly from web sources. Lately I’ve revisited the idea and found that with wasm, SharedArrayBuffer for parallelism, and more maturi…

GEOS will be available in WASM sooner or later (if it isn’t already, and if the licence works for you), rust-geo (under active development, I’m one of a few core contributors who work on it) is available compiled to WASM today (you can see a demo from a core contributor at rgis.app). Those are both vector only. For a more mature product that “only” leverages JS, placemark is the state of the art, and is amazing.

I’m not a raster or EO person so I can’t speak to GDAL’s availability, but I’m dubious that the browser is a good interface for that kind of work, or for a full GIS more generally.

Re: Apache Baremaps: online maps toolkit

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Post by mtmail »

makeitdouble wrote: post #26
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Just scrolling around Israel, it seems text rendering for RTL is broken. https://demo.baremaps.com/#12.91/32.06932/34.75969 Should be “תל אביב”, not “ביבא לת”. How do these issues even exists in 2023? Is a team building these renders not aware of RTL languages, or do they just not bother implementing it?

> How do these issues even exists in 2023? As long as the core developpers of the new platform live and work on the US west coast, any issue non relevant to the US will be a second class citizen, mostly dealt with after the product is deemed stable. The same way OpenAI operates in english first and other language systems will be improved "later". It's not a jab on the devs, I realistically can't see any other approac…

The main developer is based in Switzerland.
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