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Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by dahdum »

wk_end wrote: post #9
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

It seems the person who resigned here was on the Rust core team, and had been involved in Rust for quite a long time ( https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/announcement-jonathan-turn... ).

In no way defending the sloppy conference planning or how the former keynote speaker got screwed here, but...unless I'm missing something it seems pretty disproportionate to completely leave a community you've invested over seven years of your life in over sloppy conference planning, doesn't it? I feel like I'm missing something.

They reached out to him to give a talk he wasn’t ready to do. He obliges, works to make it happen, and gets blindsided by organizational politics. If he feels the organization and leadership neither respect him personally or his efforts, it’s a perfectly proportionate response.

Not sure how I’d react in his exact situation, but once trust and mutual respect are gone, so am I.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by cjbprime »

wk_end wrote: post #9
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

It seems the person who resigned here was on the Rust core team, and had been involved in Rust for quite a long time ( https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/announcement-jonathan-turn... ).

In no way defending the sloppy conference planning or how the former keynote speaker got screwed here, but...unless I'm missing something it seems pretty disproportionate to completely leave a community you've invested over seven years of your life in over sloppy conference planning, doesn't it? I feel like I'm missing something.

> sloppy conference planning

FWIW, the quoted thread makes it sound like the actual conference planners were no more than messengers here, so it may be fairer to summarize as ".. over capricious meddling in conference planning" or something like that.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by chaxor »

perihelions wrote: post #6
nappy-doo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The blog post states that the author will no longer be speaking at RustConf 2023 about a possible future for compile-time programming. The decision came after a call with RustConf organizers, during which the organizers informed the author that their talk had been downgraded from a keynote to a regular talk. The author initially thought the change was due to scheduling or finding a better fit, but later realized that…

Thanks! (It didn't really give a lucid summary in my view, but sincerely thanks for doing the work)

Pretty sure this is just pasting the link into GPT-4 with browsing summary

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by sergiotapia »

What is it about Rust that attracts so much drama like this? Someone has to do the calculus here. It can't be the sheer number of developers because Rust is still a niche language.

Why does Rust have these kind of shenanigans and attract people that either cause these problems or experience these problems?

The only other language that comes close is the V language, but that's mostly people shitting on the language (for no good reason) and not infighting drama like Rust has.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by perihelions »

chaxor wrote: post #23
perihelions wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! (It didn't really give a lucid summary in my view, but sincerely thanks for doing the work)

Pretty sure this is just pasting the link into GPT-4 with browsing summary

Yes, and I'm grateful for the small courtesy someone took the time to do that.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by jcranmer »

WatchDog wrote: post #10

Resigning over someone else’s talk being bumped into a different slot? All seems overly dramatic.

My understanding (I've never had the mispleasure of running a conference) is that keynote talks are very different from regular talks. With regular talks, presenters submit talk proposals, the conference committee select which talks to give. With keynote talks, the committee instead asks a specific presenter to give a specific talk.

So when someone, who is hesitant in the first place about the appropriateness of their material for a talk, is asked to give a talk, communicates their concerns, is emphatically encouraged by the committee to do so anyways, and is suddenly told by the committee that "never mind, we don't want your talk"... at best, that speaks poorly of the committee.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by worik »

LightHugger wrote: post #20

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> The people running the rust foundation are the typical power grubbing petty people who go out of their way to use being progressive as a shield for being bad people.

Really?

Are you involved in any groups you do not feel that way about?

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by camdenlock »

sergiotapia wrote: post #24

What is it about Rust that attracts so much drama like this? Someone has to do the calculus here. It can't be the sheer number of developers because Rust is still a niche language. Why does Rust have these kind of shenanigans and attract people that either cause these problems or experience these problems? The only other language that comes close is the V language, but that's mostly people shitting on the language (f…

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