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Re: 1Password won't accept my payment

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Post by sshine »

Champagn3Papi wrote: post #9
sshine wrote: post #6

I really like software that is "offline first". This is how everyone used to make software, before SaaSS became a thing. (SaaSS: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s... ) It basically means your software works as intended without an internet connection. You don't get the "reduced version" without internet, it does exactly what you expect it to and does not complain. A password manager should b…

I've looked at bitwarden which is completely open source and is self-hosted. I tried it, but I'd rather pay a "premium" for someone that gets paid to upkeep the application to the newest standards. Bitwarden sometimes has troubles with filling in forms properly which 1password more often does the correct thing saving me seconds / minutes every day.

Self-hostable is a good quality to reach offline first.

And open source is a good quality in general.

But software doesn't need to be self-hostable or open source to be offline first.

Being capable of running offline is the most premium feature you can give me.

For example, you can have an app on your phone that is closed source and costs money, but you can still access it without internet.

An example of an "offline first" feature that does not depend on open source or self-hosting is: Can you sync your password database to another device without internet? (A more interesting one you can't even take for granted nowadays: Can the program open if you're offline?)

Re: 1Password won't accept my payment

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Post by jrm4 »

Champagn3Papi wrote: post #7
jrm4 wrote: post #3

"No brainer" is not a word you want associated with password management in any context Please don't carry this idea into your development.

Care to explain this a bit more? Having decent password hygiene, password rotation, secure password generation and all of that available via browser, apps and commandline IS a no brainer to me. From a security standpoint you could say they are storing and keeping your passwords all in 1 bucket, while that is true it is encrypted and can be changed / tracked way easier then you would be able to without it. What's the…

Sure. A long time ago, I had a gut feeling that 3rd party password management across the board was a bad idea. Three parties having secrets is objectively worse than two. I quieted that notion in my head owing to "experts" giving bad ideas (like yours above.)

The fallouts are happening andI was right. Ledger, was it 1Password? Whoever.

"Hygiene" and "User experience" and whatnot are dangerous weaselly ideas used by "security" companies to convince themselves that what they're doing isn't inherently a bad idea.

"No brainer" should never be used because security is inherently hard. As we have fully seen, you can't "easy user experience" it away. It's difficult.

Right now - every old person that y'all make fun of with their passwords in a little notebook? They're doing better than most.

Now. I do believe there is room for companies. But with the following example I'm going to prove how absolutely full of crap most of these security companies are and it's REALLY simple.

Indemnify me.

I will pay for your product that saves passwords if you IDEMNIFY me. You can have 10? 30? bucks a month if and only if when I get breached you pay me $100,000.

No one's going to take this deal, proving that they're mostly worthless.

Re: 1Password won't accept my payment

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Post by sshine »

1p_erik wrote: post #12
sshine wrote: post #6

I really like software that is "offline first". This is how everyone used to make software, before SaaSS became a thing. (SaaSS: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s... ) It basically means your software works as intended without an internet connection. You don't get the "reduced version" without internet, it does exactly what you expect it to and does not complain. A password manager should b…

Hello @sshine! Erik from 1Password here. > your software works as intended without an internet connection. 1Password works both online and offline. An internet connection is required to sync passwords across devices and to periodically verify the status of an account subscription. Besides that, the application remains fully functional when in an offline state for all intents and purposes.

I use another tool / service with similar capabilities and limitations as 1Password.

You say fully functional, but can 1Password sync between devices if I don't have internet?

An example: GitHub is not offline first, but git is.

Re: 1Password won't accept my payment

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Post by illiac786 »

sshine wrote: post #23
1p_erik wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello @sshine! Erik from 1Password here. > your software works as intended without an internet connection. 1Password works both online and offline. An internet connection is required to sync passwords across devices and to periodically verify the status of an account subscription. Besides that, the application remains fully functional when in an offline state for all intents and purposes.

I use another tool / service with similar capabilities and limitations as 1Password. You say fully functional, but can 1Password sync between devices if I don't have internet? An example: GitHub is not offline first, but git is.

The answer to your question is in the comment you replied to.

How would you sync between devices without internet except if they are on the same network? Good luck with sharing passwords with family members...

Re: 1Password won't accept my payment

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Post by sshine »

illiac786 wrote: post #25
sshine wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use another tool / service with similar capabilities and limitations as 1Password. You say fully functional, but can 1Password sync between devices if I don't have internet? An example: GitHub is not offline first, but git is.

The answer to your question is in the comment you replied to. How would you sync between devices without internet except if they are on the same network? Good luck with sharing passwords with family members...

It is a common problem today that in order to transfer data between devices located in the same room, it needs to pass by a data centre on another continent.

Instead of internet you use local transfer networks, e.g. WiFi, Bluetooth, LoRa, RFID, QR codes, USB, etc.

Re: 1Password won't accept my payment

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Post by sparrish »

Champagn3Papi wrote: post #24
sparrish wrote: post #19

What country is your credit card from? I know many customers from India are struggling to pay for SaaS subscription services since banks there started rejecting all recurring charges.

I'm from belgium so that won't be an issue since it's in Europe.

Some European cards have geographical blocking on them and can't be use for subscriptions to US companies without removing the blocking.
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