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ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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Re: ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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No one owns basic shapes. You can claim ownership to the complex geometry of your work - and that’s it. The exact complexity of said geometry is impossible to define - you’ll know it when you see it.

Shapes (and colors) can be trademarked, so yes, they can.

That's only in a specific domain and for consumer protection (to avoid confusion), not in the sense of copyright

Re: ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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We need an "Atlas Shrugged" scenario against AI.

I was thinking about this. Depending on how they "crawl" content, figure out a way to fingerprint their crawlers and when they hit your site, just return disgustingly explicit romance novel copy.

> "How do I make a peach cobbler?"

"To make a peach cobbler, run your fingers aggressively over the bosom of the graham cracker crust...thrust the pie pan deep into the oven; don't worry about spilling the mix."

Re: ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is not writers artists or developers, it’s software that ingests data and generates an output. Anthropomorphism is going out of fashion fast.

Before we can agree on anything, we have to define what qualifies a human as any of those things. We will be here all night debating that. - "They call themselves an artist but they are not that good." - "Copying and pasting shell scripts in a terminal does not a software developer make." - "The story that writer created is yet another permutation of " You see what I mean? There is a good probability that today alone…

I see what you mean but i think we are digressing. A human has certain rights while a machine doesnt. If we give ai learning rights then who’s to say a database is not like a human memorising things at a highly accurate level and as such we should make databases not liable for the storage of any copyrighted material. I dont mind ai generating code or art as long as that code and art it was trained on is not our publicly available but licensed work. Eager to try an ai trained against microsoft’s source code. After all, it would be like a human that worked at microsoft and hopped to a better job.

Re: ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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Using this logic, every writer who has learned to read and write by reading books, or every artist who improved their craft by studying works, or every musician who learned the piano by practicing pieces, is also "stealing" in whatever they "originally" create due to learning via pattern recognition "tiny pieces of every work" in their data set. It's ridiculous to compare agents that generalize well to "stealing" pie…

Using your logic, I could learn to read a book by saving each sentence to my database. Then, when requested by someone else, I could regurgitate the book sentence by sentence from my db. And also charge the person for it.

Re: ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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It's interesting to compare two scenarios. The first is if you feed an LLM solely the works of a famous current author, say J.K Rowling, and ask it to create a new work in the style of her franchise.

The second is if you include all of her works but also throw in every other book written in the last several years and ask it to create a work in the style of her franchise.

Is the latter somehow "better" than the former? I'd personally consider the former to be a clear case of copyright violation while with the latter we don't really have a way of knowing how much of her previous works were included. I'd still lean towards the latter being a copyright violation, and it's where I think we are currently with services like ChatGPT.

Re: ChatGPT is not ‘artificial intelligence.’ It’s theft

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I have no idea how the courts will end up resolving this legally. In the meantime I've been thinking a lot about the morality of this alleged theft.

Most of us would agree that duplicating and selling someone's book is immoral. Similarly I think we'd all agree that reading multiple books to learn about a topic and then writing your own is perfectly fine.

So where does an LLM trained on millions of books fall? Personally, I don't find it immoral but I know others will disagree. I'd be curious to hear arguments for the immorality of LLMs trained on copyrighted works.

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