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Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by javajosh »

miloignis wrote: post #12
javajosh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any l…

From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding yo…

Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by dpatterbee »

javajosh wrote: post #5
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any l…

My understanding is that every upgraded component which ships with the new framework can be purchased separately and installed in the 1st generation model. Indeed, this is the primary selling point of the framework. What source have you seen which says differently?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

javajosh wrote: post #21
miloignis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding yo…

Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.

My understanding is that a first-gen chassis precludes none of the possible updates.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by DanHulton »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Why, oh why have you gone with the terrible "bar-style" arrow keys instead of t-shaped? Apple similarly made this mistake, and thankfully recanted. It was so miserable to use bar-style arrow keys that I've officially sworn off of any keyboard (or any machine with a keyboard) that has them.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by princevegeta89 »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Hi. I have an m1 mac but always missed linux since I got it. Here are my questions if you can take a minute:

How stable is the Linux laptop and what distros are officially supported? What would be the best possible battery life I can get out of that 13 inch Ryzen version that was recently released?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by miloignis »

javajosh wrote: post #21
miloignis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding yo…

Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.

Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did.

My apologies for coming across aggressively.

I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not.

Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you could fix your battery problems by upgrading the mainboard? (It also mentions that using the larger battery will be possible with a BIOS upgrade, which should further improve things).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by csdreamer7 »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Hi, thank you for founding Framework.

Love my 12th gen framework laptop except for an issue with the headphone jack. Waiting on a replacement for that.

I do wish the keyboard was better. See the Thinkpad. Using the function key for terminal paste + home and end forces me to spend a second to think to shift between this and my Thinkpad keyboards. I know you are coming out with magnetic ones-really looking forward to that and hope they match the thinkpad.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by teraflop »

miloignis wrote: post #12
javajosh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any l…

From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding yo…

Just from a quick browse through Framework's replacement parts, almost none of them specify which version they're designed for. So either they're all interchangeable with any chassis version, or the website has an enormous usability problem and can expect a lot of unhappy customers. (I don't own a Framework and I have no idea which of these is the case.)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by atribecalledqst »

I'm definitely thinking about getting a Framework, I could use a decent Windows / Linux laptop for random hacking (and some light gaming). Might wait until the next model comes out though since I don't have any immediate need.

Being able to replace components in my 2012-era Macbook Pro has saved me a number of times and a laptop that's built around that ideal sounds great to me.

Are Frameworks generally in pretty high demand and hard to get? Like when the next model comes out, can I basically expect that it will be impossible to get for a while?

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