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Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

Proctoring software of this sort are already in use by large test-taking agencies such as PSI and Pearson-Vue. Microsoft also has its Take a test app.

Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

Or they could move to a more British style, with in-person essays, proctored by human observers (not that there aren't old-fashioned ways to cheat on those too, but they're well-known).

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With the advent of new technology, so must entire practices and industries spring up to counteract the inherent harm this technology will cause and is already causing.

is it a given that technological progress will often necessitate societal harm? Is such technological progress actually progress for humanity?

there seems to be this universal notion that "things that can be built will be built and are inevitable". It is for example argument #1 anytime anyone suggests we should be manufacturing and selling fewer guns - that this is not possible, since guns are "inevitable". You can 3-d print them after all! Therefore, everyone must be armed and we must live in an armed society with regular mass shootings, because what can we do? It's also a ubiquitous slogan used around AI - that AI is "inevitable". It's already out there, Google internal docs are betting that OSS AI will become the norm, and that's that. AI will be everywhere used for everything, making it's fairly unreliable decisions about things like who broke into your house last night, who's likely to be shoplifting, is that a bike in the crosswalk or just nothing at all, etc., and that's now the world we live in.

Are humans as a species perhaps in need of better ways to not build things, since right now every possible thing that is imagined and becomes possible therefore "must" be built, en masse, and humanity's occupation becomes mitigating the species against all the harms brought about by all this "progress".

anyway that's the low blood sugar version. I'll likely have not much to say after lunch

Re: It Wasn't AI

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post #19

IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

Open chat gpt on your phone, ask it to write your essay, then retype its response manually

You might even learn and retain the material better that way (assuming the gist of it was correct, that is).

Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

When I was in college we had a number of group projects and I thought the whole time that it would make a ton of sense for the professor to set up a class repo (I'm a old person so they would be a CVS repo at the time) and be able to see exactly what each person had contributed to the project. Even for single person projects it would have made it so much easier to detect cheaters. I also think it might light a fire under some of the less shameless slackers.

I hope schools do this now. Not only for detecting cheaters but to get the kids used to working in a more real world environment.

Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

The cat and mouse iteration will be using ChatGPT integrated with Webdriver to slowly type the essay, writing a prompt that says "make occasional mistakes", etc.

Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

But then you can have ChatGPT write your essay on a phone/tablet and you just slowly re-write it.

I think schools will need to change the way they go about testing student understanding of topics. Personally I'm excited for what this might look like and it is a great opportunity for hackers to really innovate the educational field.

Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

This is a fantastic idea

This is a horrible idea.

Re: It Wasn't AI

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Any sufficiently good AI detector will soon become part of the training process.

I am concerned about the false positive rate on AI detectors. But if they are being used to flag submissions for further review only then I can go with it. Finding out if a student cheated shouldn't be too hard, just quiz them on what they wrote.

Re: It Wasn't AI

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IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…

Yet another arms race. Use this key logging training dataset to generate a simulated realtime response on the usb port.
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