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Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Tim Cook must sweat bullets every time he reads a headline about China potentially invading Taiwan.

Isn't USA in the process of basically relocating TSMC to Arizona for that reason? And it's not for iPhones. It's because USA military can't risk having the chip supply cut off in wartime.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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I feel this is a complete waste of leading tech: going into another slate of Apple products that do not need these advancements. I feel these slots should go to GPUs for AI and Apple is just hogging the capacity. It’d be one thing if Apple actually worked on AI softwares a bit and made it readily available to developers.

Apple pays a premium for the privilege of using their face to test the new node for brick walls. Sure, sometimes it means they get the newest bestest chips a year early and the fans can party, but if you're an anti-fan just remain patient and I suspect one of these years you will be the one with reason to party.

Which is my point exactly. They’re using market power to basically stymie competition. This is textbook anticompetitive behavior.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Some people may criticise the "monopoly" Apply have of TSMC latest nodes, but I think it's ultimately good. TSMC need to know they have a customer for new nodes in order to invest in them, thats what Apple are in the unique position to give with their war chest of cash. This investment by Apple eventually leads its way to other customers and smaller businesses. The whole industry thrives on the wake Apple leaves behi…

>Apple are in the unique position to give with their war chest of cash Don’t all the big tech companies have giant cash accounts?

If I'm googling this right Apple had perhaps $48B in cash in 2022. I don't know how others compare.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Some people may criticise the "monopoly" Apply have of TSMC latest nodes, but I think it's ultimately good. TSMC need to know they have a customer for new nodes in order to invest in them, thats what Apple are in the unique position to give with their war chest of cash. This investment by Apple eventually leads its way to other customers and smaller businesses. The whole industry thrives on the wake Apple leaves behi…

Nobody really benefits when the leading process node is being wasted by a walled garden company on, mostly, consumer laptops

The new nodes also typically go towards iPhones and tablets as well, and in total that's only hundreds of millions of people benefitting from improved devices, so yeah pretty much nobody.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Some people may criticise the "monopoly" Apply have of TSMC latest nodes, but I think it's ultimately good. TSMC need to know they have a customer for new nodes in order to invest in them, thats what Apple are in the unique position to give with their war chest of cash. This investment by Apple eventually leads its way to other customers and smaller businesses. The whole industry thrives on the wake Apple leaves behi…

> What we need is a sudden and massive increase in memory on these chips to make having LLMs viable on everyday affordable devices. I do wander if that may be something Apple surprise us with.

Honestly, I just wish that they'd refresh the Mac Studio. I know that probably won't happen in any processor generation which they plan to roll out the Mac Pro, though.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Tim Cook must sweat bullets every time he reads a headline about China potentially invading Taiwan.

TSMC is expanding into the US for that reason. Their 3nm fabs will be in Arizona (in addition to Taiwan)

Arizona won't do N3 until 2026.

TSMC said that the leading node will always be in Taiwan and N+1 will be outside.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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post #5

I feel this is a complete waste of leading tech: going into another slate of Apple products that do not need these advancements. I feel these slots should go to GPUs for AI and Apple is just hogging the capacity. It’d be one thing if Apple actually worked on AI softwares a bit and made it readily available to developers.

If the M3 doesn’t have some AI capacities that are at least somewhat utilized by something (probably bad Siri) I’ll be highly surprised.

Everyone, please let me have "Bad Siri" for the name of my next band.

Re: Apple to occupy 90% of TSMC 3nm capacity in 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody really benefits when the leading process node is being wasted by a walled garden company on, mostly, consumer laptops

The new nodes also typically go towards iPhones and tablets as well, and in total that's only hundreds of millions of people benefitting from improved devices, so yeah pretty much nobody.

How improved though? iPhones are already pretty fast. I don't know about you, but i've never compiled a kernel on my phone. Having a faster, actual workstation grade computer would be better. But yeah you're right, sarcasm is the right approach.
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