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The Web I Want (2018)

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#21
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business and eventually degenerates into a racket.”

- Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time

A friend gave me this quote a while back, and I find myself thinking about it constantly with regards to the state of tech. The web this author wants sounds great, but probably won’t exist because major economic forces drive the exact pressures that cause these problems.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#23
post #3

This website says it better: https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

I agree with this in principle and my own personal site is basically "just" a website, but the lack of _any_ styling to make things look just a little nicer always turned me off to this rant in particular. I am not good with CSS, but there's plenty of essentially drop-in CSS files out there that would take a text heavy barebones site like this from "basically a text file open in notepad" readability to something a no…

You could take the original motherfuckingwebsite's approach and allow the user to set a default CSS in their browser.

This is basically how programmers use terminals. But somehow we thought that "users" want things differently ...

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#24
Given the subject, it seems ironic that the page is loading htmx.min.js (40kB/15kB transferred). Can anyone tell if it's doing anything whatsoever on this page? I suspect it wasn't there at the time this was published but the author later added it to all pages on their site.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#26

I feel the frustration, and the core of the frustration is that the requirements for the web were fundamentally wrong. Thus, we keep adding new things to the browser to enable new things. The JavaScript hate is justified for large websites where you download MBs of javascript. I'm discovering that a lean JavaScript framework and streams are a much better idiom. If I could go back in time, then I would love to long-li…

One of the issues with long-lived sockets is power consumption. Generally you need to send keep alive packets or else the connection is dropped and doing that forces your modem to wake up and send bytes.

QUIC is a big step in the right direction as long as middleboxes don't hollow it out.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#27
post #16

> Most websites are about delivering and exploring content. HTML is amazing for this, and you don't need JavaScript. This is the fundamental misconception that most "get off my lawn" people like the author have, which leads to a variant of this exact post getting voted to the top here every single day. The web is not about delivering big blobs of text and images. It may have been at one point, but we are far beyond t…

This is true.

But applications can be small and performant.

It takes skill, time, and work; a hard sell, these days.

Nowadays, we can throw together two or three massive dependencies, and get a really high-tone app.

That waddles like an overfed walrus.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#28

I’m not sure why that commenter who observed these claims get surfaced all the time yet nothing has changed, got flagged/downvoted. I was about to say the same thing. I’ll add a genuine question here in hopes to spur some discussion: It is clear the web is turning into trash or is already there, depending on your view. What genuine efforts have been made to rebuild the web without starting on the web/browser? We coul…

> What genuine efforts have been made to rebuild the web without starting on the web/browser? We could just start over and not allow the same things that made the web today turn to to shit.

What you're describing sounds like Gemini, which has been fairly successful in its own niche. https://gemini.circumlunar.space/

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#29

I’m not sure why that commenter who observed these claims get surfaced all the time yet nothing has changed, got flagged/downvoted. I was about to say the same thing. I’ll add a genuine question here in hopes to spur some discussion: It is clear the web is turning into trash or is already there, depending on your view. What genuine efforts have been made to rebuild the web without starting on the web/browser? We coul…

> It is clear the web is turning into trash or is already there

Back in the "good old days" people keep mentioning there were maybe some single digit million people online. Today there are ~5 billion. So by what measure are things clearly worse? And for whom?

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

#30
I have no solution for the web turning to complete shit but I do have a solution for the "laptop on fire" / fans going crazy and my solution even helps the planet a tiny little bit.

I do simply throttle my entire CPU when I'm on a virtual dekstop / workspace where there's a "surf the Web" browser opened (as opposed to, say, a workspace where I have a browser I use to test stuff in dev).

It's all automated from my window manager: everytime I switch workspace the maximum CPU speed allowed is modified. I go to workspace 3, where my editor/IDE is, the CPU governor is set to "ondemand" (i.e. the CPU can boost to 5.5 Ghz if it wants to). I go to other workspaces: the CPU governor is set to "powersave".

It's brutally efficient. No more noisy fans because this and that websites are busy executing oh-so-important JavaScript code to track me.

I don't bother modifying the max TDP of the GPU when I switch workspaces but I could (the reason I don't bother is that I'm using fanless GPUs in my two main machines).

It just works.

In the past I used to put CPU and RAM quota on processes/group running browsers but I find it much easier to just modify the CPU's power settings upon switching workspaces.

It's trivial to do and there's really not much websites can do about it. They can basically suck it.

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