Live data from Hacker News

The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

wolfhf.medium.com

21–30 of 298 posts

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#21
post #14

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

> One is neutering and the other is cultivating Now the question is: what are they neutering/cultivating. It might very well end in a "why did we start putting lead in gas again?" / "we can spray kids with DDT clouds right?" x100 moment

You could make the converse statement about thalidomide, which USA avoided while others suffered severe problems. Regulation isn’t a silver bullet, and it’s particularly challenging to regulate AI because bits flow faster than atoms

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#22
post #6

In theory I probably do agree with the bill as presented in the article, there are 2 reservations that should be bought up. Firstly, the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin. Secondly, they're fighting economics on this one. AI seems to be cheap and accessible. In practice controlling t…

(many EU countries have laws that ban Nazism and its derivatives btw. They are not working flawlessly everywhere but they are there and do "some" effect).

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#23
post #6

In theory I probably do agree with the bill as presented in the article, there are 2 reservations that should be bought up. Firstly, the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin. Secondly, they're fighting economics on this one. AI seems to be cheap and accessible. In practice controlling t…

>the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin.

The primary factor is brain drain. As many experts in geopolitics suggest, the European Union, in collaboration with Russia, could potentially rival, if not surpass, the United States in terms of power. However, it appears they are content to be pawns on the larger chessboard.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#24

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

AFAIK in USA the AI stuff is still in limbo, Microsoft and Open AI will have to defend themselves in court, the result could be worse then what EU is preparing depending on your alignment. I prefer this shit is clarified so everyone knows what is legal and not, and not have only the big corporations do the illegal stuff and apologize later.

It’s not illegal though. That’s the point, is it not?

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#25

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

it's not neutering, it's pest control

> pest control

I believe the Chinese Communists tried a similar thing[1]. I know you're just being poetic, but let's hope history doesn't repeat.

---

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_campaign

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#26
post #7

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

The jury's still out on whether software is an unalloyed good.

Straw man. Nobody would say that.

Is the jury still out on whether software does more good than harm?

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#27

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

it's not neutering, it's pest control

I'm assuming you're typing this with the comfort of some kind of blink or webkit based web browser, made by said pests

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#28
I'm not sure the EU is powerful enough to have their way on AI, USB-C, GDPR and a handful of other things. With a population aging faster than the US's it seems like they are spiraling into irrelevance. It could be a market served only by corporations that are willing prop up old tech.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#29
post #6

In theory I probably do agree with the bill as presented in the article, there are 2 reservations that should be bought up. Firstly, the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin. Secondly, they're fighting economics on this one. AI seems to be cheap and accessible. In practice controlling t…

>the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin. The primary factor is brain drain. As many experts in geopolitics suggest, the European Union, in collaboration with Russia, could potentially rival, if not surpass, the United States in terms of power. However, it appears they are content to b…

EU and Putin together would be unstoppable…?

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

#30
What the EU is doing is not working.

The legislative effort is real, well intentioned, and groundbreaking. It reflects democratically the wishes of half-a-billion people that include some of the fairest and most sensible countries on the planet. So ignore the hallucinating tech bros. EU legislation is certainly in the direction of what a good digital society looks like.

But there is no response on the ground. From the tech makers. Remember the timeless Buckminster Fuller quote: you need to make a new model that makes the old model obsolete. Why aren't there any actors taking the clear legislative signals at heart to create the new digital model?

Here are some hypotheses / flow chart:

* there are no such actors. too much focus on luxury goods, not much on tech. mass migration of talent to the US has created a desert.

* there are actors but they don't get funded to act. If that is the case, we need to ask: there are gazillions of euros rotting, so why is this not happening? Possible causes:

  \* financiers don't actually buy the legislative agenda. they think it will be watered down / defanged by the FAANGS

  \* financiers belong to a group that doesn't actually *like* this legislative agenda (they bank on surveillance capitalism and the like for guaranteed returns)
Whatever the fundamental challenges and first causes, unless there is bottom-up buildup of alternative approaches the top-down agenda will eventually fail.
Post reply on HN