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Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by geraldhh »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #11
rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

It was a completely foreseeable result of a very small minority's war on internet standards. First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered. What did they think countries were gonna do? Just give up governing? Did they really think a web browser was going to defeat an e…

> which of course forced governments to use more extreme measures to fulfill their legislative requirements

fuck this

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by derefr »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #11
rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

It was a completely foreseeable result of a very small minority's war on internet standards. First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered. What did they think countries were gonna do? Just give up governing? Did they really think a web browser was going to defeat an e…

I mean, the real end-state of network security design is to force governments into a situation where they only have two options: let through everything, or completely block the entire Internet. At which point said government can’t pretend to outside observers that it’s actually offering anything called “the Internet” to those people, and has to admit that it is instead some kind of North Korea-like totalitarian state where only an elite class of proven patriots can be trusted to access the outside world. So then those outside observers can get mad, impose sanctions, etc.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #11
rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

It was a completely foreseeable result of a very small minority's war on internet standards. First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered. What did they think countries were gonna do? Just give up governing? Did they really think a web browser was going to defeat an e…

> First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered.

Absolutely. Forcing strong TLS is absolutely a good thing. Enforcing privacy is absolutely a good thing.

The problem isn't with that decision, but the governments who don't understand that, and thus it is up to the citizens to change that.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by catminou »

rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

India is well known for blocking CDNs IPs for a variety of reasons (don't like the content, or because you can VPN on top of them).

I've seen some CDNs who don't use anycast and rely primarily on DNS to cycle thru the IP pools vended in India because the government is slow to add new addresses to block and they maintain a cool down period before reintroducing them.

The shitty part is that the entity in India issuing this never reaches out to the CDNs to communicate exactly what they object to.

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by stuckkeys »

I don't have much to add about the title except to suggest taking it with a hint of skepticism. Personally, I have a strong affinity for Cloudflare. It has consistently come to my rescue on numerous occasions. I haven't encountered any issues with speed while using their services. It's possible that my fast ISP plays a role, or perhaps the original poster needs to optimize their CF services. However, I believe it's unfair to make a straightforward claim that "They are slow" without considering potential biases. The performance of the services will always vary, and ultimately, the maximum output will depend on the specifics (end point?)

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

So likely what happened is India just blocked one ISP because a website they wanted to block resolved to it, without bothering to check what the IP was or who it belonged to.

I remember Australia making similar mistakes when their list of sites to block got leaked, and it included URL's which were specific to logged in users (so it would have blocked that users login as opposed to the site).

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by its-summertime »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #11
rektide wrote: post #2

India is blocking a bunch of the IPs. Here's a new acronym for us: "Problem Exists Between User And Internet; PEBUI. This is definitely the next 5 years+ of computing. More and more nations making more and more wild ass decisions about the internet & users ending up disconnected. PEBUI.

It was a completely foreseeable result of a very small minority's war on internet standards. First forcing everyone to use TLS, and then forcing everyone to use stronger forms of TLS that couldn't be inspected. Absolutely no fucks given about the many downsides, no alternatives considered. What did they think countries were gonna do? Just give up governing? Did they really think a web browser was going to defeat an e…

Without TLS, blocking is unneeded yes, because they can just rewrite what you would read, make individual news articles disappear, etc. With TLS, you are near-explicitly informed that the people between you and your information source want to be involved in your access to knowledge.

Rather be clueless than have a mind full of lies, no?

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by selcuka »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #10

I stopped using their caching because they literally won't stop caching the old version of my site. It's just a Google Pages site and I have no idea how to get them to refresh their cache. But a year later they still return the old page. Just using DNS pass through rather than caching and the site works fine.

They have a "Purge Cache" [1] button on their UI (and there is also an API endpoint).

[1] https://developers.cloudflare.com/cache/how-to/purge-cache/

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by throwaway75 »

From India, and cloudflare to my website resolves to the same ip block. The 172.67.198.x is very much reachable. In fact I can ping and access the exact ip in the article. Not sure what the OP's problem was, but it does not seem to be cloudflare or a govt block.

Edit: Link to screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/d7zLuCP

Re: Cloudflare is slow and Cloudflare can’t do much about it

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Post by fwlr »

“Cloudflare is slow [in India] and Cloudflare [probably] can’t do much about it [but I don’t know because I’m not paying for support]” would be a more accurate title, although it’s far too snarky.

“Cloudflare is slow because of an Indian ISP” or “Cloudflare is slow in India and Cloudflare can’t do much about it” would both still be improvements.

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