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Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by KptMarchewa »

greyface- wrote: post #16
samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

TCP becomes unusable under interplanetary latencies; leaving the planet will force us to transition off of it.

I don't think volume of data average user will want to send to Mars over next 100 years will be a important factor enough. I envision Mars comms using some kind of relay service, to which you'd communicate using TCP

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by talideon »

zekica wrote: post #18
vmfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it takes so long to transition to IPv6 and like many other obstruction to technological/social progress are economic and business gain for a certain small group of people and organisations.

The main issue with IPv6 adoption is people who didn't learn IPv4 before NAT, and want to use the hammer (IPv4 NAT) for everything.

Also, developers who don't know how to get their daemons to listen on multiple interfaces at once.

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by pif »

zekica wrote: post #18
vmfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it takes so long to transition to IPv6 and like many other obstruction to technological/social progress are economic and business gain for a certain small group of people and organisations.

The main issue with IPv6 adoption is people who didn't learn IPv4 before NAT, and want to use the hammer (IPv4 NAT) for everything.

A hammer working fine today, that you own, is better than a machine tool tomorrow, that you'll have to pay.

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by PeterisP »

vmfunction wrote: post #8
samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

The fact that it takes so long to transition to IPv6 and like many other obstruction to technological/social progress are economic and business gain for a certain small group of people and organisations.

I'd say that it's not that there's some gain causing people/organizations to be obstructive, but rather that IPv4 and its address shortage simply isn't a problem for the influential people and organizations, they're doing just fine and for them there is nothing that needs to be fixed; IPv6 is needed by "someone else" who can be safely ignored with no noticeable effect to the bottom line.

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by arpa »

greyface- wrote: post #16
samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

TCP becomes unusable under interplanetary latencies; leaving the planet will force us to transition off of it.

i'm not sure about that statement. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

So.... which will come first, "the year of IPv6" or "the year of linux desktop"? :)

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by Joker_vD »

PinguTS wrote: post #5

… and today we are going to try to fit Ethernet, TCP/IP, and so on onto the OSI reference model.

No, we don't. The OSI reference model keeps getting referenced (hah) in the network courses but it's merely a lip service, nobody's actually taking it seriously: just look at how mobile networks bend over in ridiculous ways to support TCP/IP.

Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by [deleted] »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #27
samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

So.... which will come first, "the year of IPv6" or "the year of linux desktop"? :)

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Re: Protocol Wars

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Post by PinguTS »

Joker_vD wrote: post #28
PinguTS wrote: post #5

… and today we are going to try to fit Ethernet, TCP/IP, and so on onto the OSI reference model.

No, we don't. The OSI reference model keeps getting referenced (hah) in the network courses but it's merely a lip service, nobody's actually taking it seriously: just look at how mobile networks bend over in ridiculous ways to support TCP/IP.

Actually we do e.g. in ISO TC22 SC31, as part of Automotive Ethernet.
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