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OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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TL;DR anyone? The filing takes an ungodly amount of time to load and the server might croak under HN pressure.

Without irony, here's ChatGPT's summary: This legal complaint alleges that defendants operating a non-profit entity for the benefit of humanity have committed massive fraud on donors, beneficiaries, and the public. The complaint raises concerns about OpenAI's operation, including its dual structure as a non-profit and a for-profit entity, potential insider dealings, and the exclusion of the general public from its be…

Wow, that's the most useful ChatGPT summary I've ever come across.

I've never found it particularly useful for most articles which are easy enough to read/skim (the first and last 2 paragraphs will usually tell you what you need), but long complicated legal documents are a whole other matter. This is great.

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without irony, here's ChatGPT's summary: This legal complaint alleges that defendants operating a non-profit entity for the benefit of humanity have committed massive fraud on donors, beneficiaries, and the public. The complaint raises concerns about OpenAI's operation, including its dual structure as a non-profit and a for-profit entity, potential insider dealings, and the exclusion of the general public from its be…

Wow, that's the most useful ChatGPT summary I've ever come across. I've never found it particularly useful for most articles which are easy enough to read/skim (the first and last 2 paragraphs will usually tell you what you need), but long complicated legal documents are a whole other matter. This is great.

Assuming it’s accurate.

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without irony, here's ChatGPT's summary: This legal complaint alleges that defendants operating a non-profit entity for the benefit of humanity have committed massive fraud on donors, beneficiaries, and the public. The complaint raises concerns about OpenAI's operation, including its dual structure as a non-profit and a for-profit entity, potential insider dealings, and the exclusion of the general public from its be…

How would ChatGPT summarize something that just happened? It's not real time?

You just copy/paste the text of the complaint (this is why you hear many complaining about maximum context size... for some use cases you want to feed in a lot of text)

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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Managed to load the PDF. It seems to be pretty scattershot, basically a collection of every complaint we've all heard about AI. Not a lawyer but key complaints seem to be: * Despite OpenAI’s mission to ‘benefit all of humanity in a broad and distributed manner,’ early stakeholders that are part of the YC network or bought in are now getting commercially invaluable early access to these systems. * These GPTs have been…

I don't know how many are genuine, but the examples I've seen of different responses to prompts with either Trump or Biden as the subject have been pretty wild.

I've personally seen a few blind spots / biases in non-political topics as well, but had previously written them off as merely incomplete training data. Lately, though, I've been pondering how many accidental biases have crept in and to what extent that will shape how people work when they're assuming they are getting an unbiased answer.

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without irony, here's ChatGPT's summary: This legal complaint alleges that defendants operating a non-profit entity for the benefit of humanity have committed massive fraud on donors, beneficiaries, and the public. The complaint raises concerns about OpenAI's operation, including its dual structure as a non-profit and a for-profit entity, potential insider dealings, and the exclusion of the general public from its be…

How would ChatGPT summarize something that just happened? It's not real time?

You can copy/paste part of the summary of the complaint. 4k tokens is a lot to work with.

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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I think a lot of people have a lot of opinions on any kind of feedback that is related to, "OpenAI took everyone's content and is now profiting off of it.".

The way I see it, the biggest losers are the average consumers. If you got skin in the game and you know how to automate the OpenAI API at scale - you're winning big. Google can't keep up with what is real or what isn't if you actually put in the work to structure the output in a useful manner. This can be done very efficiently and at scale if you know what you are doing.

So, not only is OpenAI winning but so are people who know how to build content websites and know how to get them to rank. The repetitive content cycle has always been a problem on the web (which is more the reason why places like HN are so great to find actual first-person experiences), but it is about to get amplified a hundredfold.

What OpenAI did is give everyone access to the Internet's content and let everyone mash it together in a way that fits their agenda. Everything that came before ChatGPT (and GPT-4) is pretty much rendered "the past". I'd definitely be pissed. That content was always there, of course. But before all this, you actually had to manually put in the work and the hours to try and piece together multiple key points from 10 different sources to create one unique perspective. OpenAI took a massive dookie on all that and just said fuck it. Let the genie out of the box and let us take a massive cut of the profits in the process.

I have zero doubt in my mind that OpenAI knew exactly what they were doing. They knew what kind of lawsuits or other complaints were going to come their way. And they still went ahead and released it anyway. And they're about to go even more crazy with Plugins. I'm not expecting this to happen per se, but I do have a gut feeling that some kind of brakes are going to be put on all this because whether you agree or not, this whole thing is out of control and not being controlled properly at all.

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer, but my reading of this was quite different. It seems to me like the core of the argument is that "OpenAI" wants non-profit benefits while clearly profiting. While the complaint document itself is verbose, I imagine this is the kind of thing that eventually contributes to setting a precedent for how training data is handled in the legal system as well?

IANAL too, but if there is indeed a legal case for material misrepresentation, it would make more sense to be brought by OpenAI shareholders or the FTC, not some random dude from Texas.

What's wrong with the guy from texas that he shouldn't do it?

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

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TL;DR anyone? The filing takes an ungodly amount of time to load and the server might croak under HN pressure.

Multiple claims, all related to 'fraud'. Claims that OpenAI is committing fraud because they are a for-profit disguised as a non-profit, for example.

There's some pretty kooky claims and generally bizarre statements buried in the filing, such as:

* "Altman and the other parties to this suit are increasing the risk of global human extinction or actual world domination by a small set of individuals for a chance to personally gain extended lifespans. It is the reasonable explanation for taking such massive risks with this technology and flaunting the law so obviously."

* "OpenAI and at least one of its partners most likely filled social media like Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit with politically charged commentary designed to push votes towards the Democrat party." (And no, the filing doesn't provide any substantial evidence for this assertion.)

* "Y Combinator is, according to ChatGPT, the most notable Tech Accelerator in the world. A screenshot of ChatGPT-3.5 stating this is included as Exhibit L."

* "Open-source and closed-source, not-for-profit and for-profit, are binary choices, or Booleans. Booleans are a form of data with only two possible values, which are typically opposites. When defendants drastically changed the Boolean values that structure [OpenAI]... the founding mission went from ‘true’ to ‘false.’"

Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer, but my reading of this was quite different. It seems to me like the core of the argument is that "OpenAI" wants non-profit benefits while clearly profiting. While the complaint document itself is verbose, I imagine this is the kind of thing that eventually contributes to setting a precedent for how training data is handled in the legal system as well?

IANAL too, but if there is indeed a legal case for material misrepresentation, it would make more sense to be brought by OpenAI shareholders or the FTC, not some random dude from Texas.

You think the shareholders of the non-profit's for-profit subsidiary should sue themselves for profiting from a non-profit?

That doesn't make sense and is completely backwards. The allegedly damaged party is society, with the major shareholders as defendants.

As a pro se litigant this probably won't go far. But the directionality of the suit seems correct.

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