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5G Rollout Disappointments

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Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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In India, 5G has been a godsend (Mumbai & Hyderabad). I'm sure it's because the number of people on 5G is drastically lower than the number of people on 4G/LTE. Let's see what the experience is like when everyone gradually starts using the 5G network, but for now the difference between 4G and 5G is massive.

Even in remote areas (various parts of western Maharashtra), whenever 5G is available, it's a noticeably better experience than 4G.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #9

I've just found that any time my phone says it's on 5G, it barely works at all. I've actually gone in and set the preferred network to LTE and every now and then I try setting it back, and almost every time I set it back within the day. Doing some speed tests back and forth, LTE tends to have significantly less latency, higher bandwidth, and just works while every single web page load on 5G feels like a gamble.

I think phones lying about their connection strength is a much broader problem. My phone isn't even 5G capable, but it will show me 4/5 bars or even 100% strength with full LTE when it is provably unable to transfer data. Carriers know that lying to people's faces makes them less likely to complain about poor service, just like how they lie to our faces about their service maps. There really needs to be some kind of…

it's also misleading in another way: namely that your connection to the cell site tells you absolutely nothing about that cell sites ability to forward your connection onto the greater internet; and absolutely nothing about the number of cells connected to the same cell site (some of whom could be consuming considerable airtime).

Boiling it down to "connection strength to the cell site" is, literally, the same as using wifi strength bars to evaluate internet speeds at home: it doesn't even begin to tell the whole picture.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think phones lying about their connection strength is a much broader problem. My phone isn't even 5G capable, but it will show me 4/5 bars or even 100% strength with full LTE when it is provably unable to transfer data. Carriers know that lying to people's faces makes them less likely to complain about poor service, just like how they lie to our faces about their service maps. There really needs to be some kind of…

Isn't that a case of the phone manufacturer lying, and not the carrier?

See previous discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18737008

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #4

I live in a large European city and am very often out and about and use my phone to navigate and consume content. I simply don't see the need for 5G. 4G was a major stepup in speed and given the rise of smartphones and platforms like YouTube, the speed increase made sense. There was an actual use for it. The speed increase for 5G seems to not really be needed though? At least for a majority of people 4G seems to do e…

5G is about capacity, if you want more people to use the network, using more Data, and more affordable. Then you want 5G.

Yes, your 1Gbps Ethernet is enough for majority of your needs. Except you are not the only one using the 1Gbps Ethernet.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Outside Zürich) I see 5G as motivated by carriers, being able to pack more customers into the same cell. And I would never pay extra for it. My carrier once called and wondered if the 5G is working, and how I experience it. I'm guessing that was a PR stunt, since otherwise I wouldn't have noticed the awesome things they do for me in the background... But I might be too negative on this point. Maybe they actually wan…

Tangentially, if you are from outside Switzerland make sure to know your roaming charges very very well. Swiss carriers have gigantic roaming charges. Every time. I fly through Zurich (from Austria) I blow through my roaming limit 60 seconds after landing because I forgot to disable data. 1MB/16€ Yes that is Megabyte not Gigabyte

AFAIK It’s your operator that decides the roaming charges, based on your contract (they may be different based on the country though). So you may want to check with them

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #19

I am thinking should I flag this. And thinking how low can ieee get? ieee publishing 20+ years ago were not great, but they wont bad. Right now this piece has no engineering insight into it, zero understanding of how MNOs across the planet earth work, no idea of 5G upgrade cycle both backend and front end, and zero mention of Pandemic / COVID delaying upgrading work. So what is the point of this article? Or are they…

Why would you flag this? That’s not what flagging is for and is one of the asbolute worst features of HN. It amounts to censorship based on user preferences. It’s a real article from IEEE, just because you don’t like it or agree with it doesn’t mean you flag it.

> What does [flagged] mean?

>Users flagged the post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on HN.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #19

I am thinking should I flag this. And thinking how low can ieee get? ieee publishing 20+ years ago were not great, but they wont bad. Right now this piece has no engineering insight into it, zero understanding of how MNOs across the planet earth work, no idea of 5G upgrade cycle both backend and front end, and zero mention of Pandemic / COVID delaying upgrading work. So what is the point of this article? Or are they…

I'm not going to argue with you, but it would be really helpful to me or us if you could be more informative and perhaps less insulting to the crowd. After all, most mobile tech is done in the dark and few are truly versed in all of it.

I for one didn't think 5g == mmWave, but I specifically chose TMobile because their initial 5g rollout plan made way more sense for me, as it wasn't mmWave, where others seemed to be focusing there.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

#28
5G is an umbrella for different types and technologies, and I believe that’s the confusion part of what the artice mentioned and the reader views. 5G has three main categories (technically two but separating the 2nd one to further explain it), 5G NSA (non stand alone), where the 5G RAN uses an existing 4G LTE core, 5G SA (stand alone), as the name implies, is stand alone from previous generations and has its own architecture and core, new radio, etc., and the third one -which is still a SA by the way- is the mmwave, what the article is referring.

This article has a thorough explanation (1)

In most nowadays 5G implementation is the first one, where you get a slight enhanced LTE, as it’s easier to implement, SA, which provide extra features is still not widely used -although it’s changing, and then you have the least adopted one is the mmwave due to its new bands (unlike the sub-6GHz) that require new radio/towers/etc. on a higher frequencies (also higher noise), and also new UE (or user equipment/device), which so far only very limited devices support that. In Canada, we did some cell surveys utilizing robots/drones to map the areas at different altitudes to find the deadzones and coverage, and you can say in most of the results, NSA can have the coverage as the LTE, mmwave in some cases we had not just to maintain a clear line of sight to get any signal, but also we have to be relatively close. So mmwave adoption might still in its early stages, it’s also why so operators went with C-band instead.

(1) https://dgtlinfra.com/5g-standalone-sa/#:~:text=What%20is%20....

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #19

I am thinking should I flag this. And thinking how low can ieee get? ieee publishing 20+ years ago were not great, but they wont bad. Right now this piece has no engineering insight into it, zero understanding of how MNOs across the planet earth work, no idea of 5G upgrade cycle both backend and front end, and zero mention of Pandemic / COVID delaying upgrading work. So what is the point of this article? Or are they…

To me this piece can be summed up as "5G isn't performing well, this can be due to many reasons".

Your comment seem to come up with more reasons it isn't doing as well as it could, while basically going into the same direction as the article. Why would you flag it for being basically right, even in a boring way ?

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #4

I live in a large European city and am very often out and about and use my phone to navigate and consume content. I simply don't see the need for 5G. 4G was a major stepup in speed and given the rise of smartphones and platforms like YouTube, the speed increase made sense. There was an actual use for it. The speed increase for 5G seems to not really be needed though? At least for a majority of people 4G seems to do e…

Where I live, mobile base stations are a popular form of home broadband since it's cheaper than fiber (the only other option for most homes). The 4G networks have long been inadequate as they are too overloaded and only with expanded 5G coverage have these solutions actually worked well.
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