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New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by candiddevmike »

thedebuglife wrote: post #16
candiddevmike wrote: post #15

I've been suffering from hypoglycemia for a good part of my life, and recently the episodes have started to become a bit more frequent (a bad hypoglycemia episode is like an incredibly horrifying panic attack). Trying to figure out WTF is going on with me has been daunting, everyone tells me to eat more sugar or more complex carbs which just seems to repeat the cycle. No one wants to test me, or knows what to test me…

I don’t know if this helps at all but there’s some ways to get a GCM from the private industry without needing a prescription, such as Nutrisense. I paid about $150 a month for it though.

To me, that's a lot of money for a piece of plastic. I get that it's a medical device and needed lots of testing etc, but Nutrisense seems like too much "value add" to justify what they charge for it. Hopefully I can get a prescription and get this all covered by insurance.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by mumblemumble »

metadat wrote: post #2

What about consumption of processed sugar? (e.g. ice cream, candy, cookies, brownies, and all the foods from the grocery stores in the United States with sugar discreetly sprinkled in). Personally, I know if I consume too much of the above for several days, weeks, or months prior to a blood test, my A1C will be fucked up and bad. I am quite athletic, trim, and thin.

I would guess that processed grains and starches (i.e., stuff made of flour - even flour made from "whole grains", Veggie Straws, stuff like that) is still a bigger problem for most people. My understanding is that they get digested so quickly and efficiently that, from a nutritional perspective, they're equivalent to sugar.

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BeetleB wrote: post #17
jmartrican wrote: post #8

Really confused as to how processed meats lead to an insulin resistance disease. Also, I thought refined carbs have similar glucose index as their non-refined counter parts, so how would adding more insulin inducing foods be beneficial? And how come the grand daddy of insulin spikes, sugar, isn't a factor?

The glycemic index has always been a fringe concept amongst researchers.

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Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by bsder »

jmartrican wrote: post #8

Really confused as to how processed meats lead to an insulin resistance disease. Also, I thought refined carbs have similar glucose index as their non-refined counter parts, so how would adding more insulin inducing foods be beneficial? And how come the grand daddy of insulin spikes, sugar, isn't a factor?

I'm also confused as to how "insufficient whole grain intake" has such a high correlation. "Whole wheat flour" hasn't been the norm in the US since the late 1800s and yet we only seem to have a Type-2 Diabetes problem recently.

Any study like this needs to have an explanation for the recentness of obesity and diabetes epidemics.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by dangwhy »

candiddevmike wrote: post #21
thedebuglife wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if this helps at all but there’s some ways to get a GCM from the private industry without needing a prescription, such as Nutrisense. I paid about $150 a month for it though.

To me, that's a lot of money for a piece of plastic. I get that it's a medical device and needed lots of testing etc, but Nutrisense seems like too much "value add" to justify what they charge for it. Hopefully I can get a prescription and get this all covered by insurance.

even presciption is expensive. You can buy it on amazon in india but thats still like 80$/month.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by ambrose2 »

markus_zhang wrote: post #20
boomboomsubban wrote: post #6

This seems to be saying fast food hamburgers are a much bigger cause of type 2 diabetes than the soda. Not what I assumed, though does reflect those I know with type 2 diabetes now that I think about it. The journal article breaks it down semi geographically, and call Western Europe and North America "high income countries." Probably a better term than "Western countries," but looks out of place between "Central/East…

I remember back then I heard a theory (didn't validate) that either sugar or fat is fine but consuming both at the same time is bad.

And several weeks ago there was an article here on HN about some research showing that ice cream wasn’t unhealthy (for something, I forget, heart disease?). Seems safer to just eat less processed foods.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by mjevans »

Unless there's an easy solution most of us are just going to die from this. I can't battle the market that wants to feed me supersized everything because that's where they can hide the cost of wages and offer an illusion of value.

It needs to be tasty (enough), it needs to be cheap (at least enough to compete with the crap food that's already an option), and it needs to be an option everywhere.

Clearly, regulation is required to force the market to offer healthy options for consumers.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by thih9 »

btilly wrote: post #13
jmartrican wrote: post #8

Really confused as to how processed meats lead to an insulin resistance disease. Also, I thought refined carbs have similar glucose index as their non-refined counter parts, so how would adding more insulin inducing foods be beneficial? And how come the grand daddy of insulin spikes, sugar, isn't a factor?

The non-refined versions may release as much glucose, but they don't do it all at once. Also the fiber that they contain is good for you. Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. As for sugar, they are on the list of foods they examined. What they found is that we're eating more French fries, so t…

> Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes.

Why is salt / bad influence for people with diabetes relevant in this context? Weren’t we interested in meat in relation to the rising global incidence of diabetes? Cottage cheese, shrimp, canned tuna and more also are high in sodium.

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